(The Apostle) Wow, what arrogance...We wrote the new testament....OK, if you say so. Not one of the writers of the new testament was a Catholic.
(Cristoiglesia) You are correct not one was Catholic but all of them were. If they were not Catholic Christians who were they? Jesus only founded one Church and it is the Catholic Church which existed 1500 years before the Protestants. All of the Scriptures, history, and Patristic evidence testify to this fact. Do you only believe in Scriptures when they support your heretical and false teaching? Show me evidence that there was another Church than the one founded by Jesus in the first century. Don’t waste your time looking there is no other Church.
(The Apostle) I know what you teach and I know what you practice. If you want to justify it in any way, that is your business and you have to deal with it.
(Cristoiglesia) Thank God I do not have to justify before God our obedience to His Church as He prayed that we all be one in His Church as He and the Father are one. You are the one who has departed from His teaching for the doctrines and sects of men and not I. I have come home to His Church after 50 years in the darkness of Protestantism. If you indeed know what the Church teaches why then do you persist in bearing false witness against the Church?
(The Apostle) You said the catechism is the entirety of church understanding......That is the problem. The church is based on Gods word. Nothing else.
(Cristoiglesia) There you are spouting the heresy of Sola Scriptura. The Bible teaches against such nonsense. The Bible clearly states that not all of Jesus’ teaching is contained in Scriptures but that the fullness of truth is contained in His Church. The Bible clearly states that His Church is the enduring Church that will last for all times and that the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church yet you suggest unreasonably that it has. It further states that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth.” Do not follow heresies and the doctrines of men but the authority Christ left on earth which is His Church based on the foundation of apostolic succession. You have only a part of God’s Word and expect to have the fullness of truth. This teaching of yours is truly from the depths of hell.
(The Apostle) How about the commandment that says not to make any image or likeness of the things of heaven. You dont even have a clue what Jesus or Mary look like, and yet you make statues of them. Whether you worship them or not, it is a sin to create them. It is a sin to display them. It is a sin to bow before them, whatever you claim is your reasoning.
(Cristoiglesia) You are taking Scriptures that forbid idolatry and applying it against all sacred art. That is really twisting Scriptures to match your presuppositions. It is a very unscholarly approach to Scriptures that is called eisegesis. It is not a sin to create sacred art. It is idolatry that is a sin. If someone worshipped the art it would then be a sin. But, of course no one in the Church worships anyone or anything but God. Religious art is designed to remind us of God and our devotion to Him. Statues of the saints remind us of our heavenly hope and that it is attainable through God’s grace. I bow before my bed each morning and pray to God am I worshipping my bed? How do I sin by praying to God beside my bed?
(The Apostle) Do you have to complete the sacraments in order to go to heaven? Im asking, not implying that I know.
(Cristoiglesia) Jesus said that we must eat His Body and drink His Blood for eternal life. He compares it to Manna that sustained the Israelites in the desert as the food for eternal life. Protestants do not desire this food and reject His great feast and the grace that it provides to endure in our faith to final salvation. One might ask why anyone who is faithful would reject Christ’s greatest gift to humanity. All of the Sacraments provide salvific grace but for anyone to presume salvation would be a great sin as our sovereign Lord may save whom He wishes.
(The Apostles) And Im far from hate filled. I just hate to see people on the day of judgment claim Lord, Lord and He says depart from me, I never knew you. It is very sad that you are deceived. I know you dont think you are deceived. But what do you think about John Paul saying that evolution is fact? This was the leader of your church!
(Cristoiglesia) Huh! It is you who has rejected His Church for the doctrines and teaching of men in man made sects. It is the Protestants that most resemble this prophesy of our Lord as they are the ones who have rejected sound doctrine and have gathered around themselves false teachers that satisfy their itching ears. Catholic Christians remain in His Church and are obedient to the teaching of the Church. John Paul II is entitled to his opinion. However I do not know what definition of Evolution he may have been speaking of. I have a undergraduate degree in Biology and I have seen the definition change drastically since I studied it over 30 years ago. If he was speaking of genetic mutations following the allele frequency then he was correct. Our leaders can have their own opinions, that does not mean that they are always correct.
(The Apostle) Would I continue this conversation just on hate? What a waste of time. No, your eternal salvation is at stake. And your betting your life on a document and traditions that are not biblical.
(Cristoiglesia) Really? I am moved by your concern for my salvation. However, I am not the one who is in protest of what Jesus and the disciples founded, that is you. I am not the one being disobedient and have followed false teachers and heretical man-made doctrines. I was once where you are now but no more. I became Catholic by trying to prove the Church wrong. Are you brave enough to take the same journey as I. You really should because it is your salvation that is in more danger by being outside the Church that Jesus prayed that we all be one within. I am confident on my salvific path by being in God’s will in His Church. Where else can I go? As St. Peter said to Christ at Capernaum when those like yourself left Jesus never to follow Him again; turning to the 12 and in particular St. Peter He said, “Do you want to leave also”. St. Peter responded, “where else can we go as you have the words of eternal life”. There is nothing taught by the Church that is not supported in Scriptures. There never will be.
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
05 August, 2009
mater's Granny discussing Jehovah Witnesses criticisms of Catholic Christianity
(‘maters Granny) I left the Catholic Church because of the lies and deciet by the clergy.
(Cristoiglesia) I will be pleased to address any of your so called lies and deceit if you could just reveal them. It is difficult for anyone to speculate as to what you are referring.
(‘Maters Granny) “The Pope is a man who unrightfully takes the name Holy Father.” It belongs only to Jehovah. Scripture says to call no one father except your Father in heaven. Priests have wrongfully taken than moniker and assumed a position that is not theirs to take.
(Cristoiglesia) The term Holy Father refers to the fact that the office of Pope is ordained by Jesus and it is by His authority that the Pope serves as the leader of the apostles. So, the Holiness comes from Christ’s Holiness and not from His own veracity. As for the Scripture verse you say that forbids the use of the term father your interpretation of this verse is based on prejudice causing the presupposition that Jesus was forbidding terms of respect to others. This was certainly not the intent or the correct understanding of what Jesus was teaching. This is a previous writing from my blog that will help you to understand the correct meaning of Jesus’ instructions:
From the early Church we find that clergy were addressed as father. There are those with little knowledge of history or hermeneutical discipline such as understanding Scriptures within context, who believe that the Bible prohibits one from calling a priest father. The words they rely on come directly from Christ:
(Mat 23:9 DRB) And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
Keeping the verse in context let us look at the verse preceding this verse:
(Mat 23:8 DRB) But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master: and all you are brethren.
Rabbi means teacher and the Latin word for teacher is doctor so anyone using these terms as well are violating the literal interpretation of the text.
Let us look at the verse after verse 9:
(Mat 23:10 DRB) Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, Christ.
There is no way that the interpretation could be correct if one reads and understands the Matthew passage in context. He is clearly teaching that one should not look to any human authority as our teacher, father, master, doctor or other titles of respect but instead give to God those things that are reserved for Him. Do you also refuse to call people doctor, teacher, professor, mister, or master? All of these are forbidden as well if we are to accept a literal understanding.
Context also requires that we investigate what the other Scriptures say as well as the understanding of these words by those who followed Christ. There are many instances where the writers of the New Testament contradict a literal understanding of not calling a man father, teacher or master. Consider the following verses:
(Act 5:34 DRB) But one in the council rising up, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, respected by all the people, commanded the men to be put forth a little while.
(Col 4:1 DRB) Masters, do to your servants that which is just and equal: knowing that you also have a master in heaven.
(2Ti 1:11 DRB) Wherein I am appointed a preacher and an apostle and teacher of the Gentiles.
Let us examine the statements of St. Stephen to see if he understood Christ to be speaking literally….In is soliloquy (Acts Chapter 7) before the Sanhedrin before his stoning to martyrdom he used the term father in referring to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as fathers and also to his Israelite ancestors as fathers.
St. John the beloved disciple also did not understand Christ to be teaching literally as we can see in the following verses:
(1Jn 2:13 DRB) I write unto you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one.
(1Jn 2:14 DRB) I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one.
(1Jn 2:15 DRB) Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him.
(1Jn 2:16 DRB) For all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life, which is not of the Father but is of the world.
St. Paul also had a different understanding of Christ’s words than the literalists:
(1Co 4:14 DRB) I write not these things to confound you: but I admonish you as my dearest children.
(1Co 4:15 DRB) For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.
(1Co 4:16 DRB) Wherefore, I beseech you, be ye followers of me as I also am of Christ.
St. Paul was speaking of the fact that he is called to shepherd the flock as are all priests. We not only give birth to the Christian through Baptism but also nourish the faithful with the Holy Eucharist and God’s Word. We care for them and bind their spiritual wounds through the delivery of the Sacraments. It is no wonder that we are called father as we care for our Church family as a father cares for his own family.
(‘maters Granny) Jesus is the King of the Kingdom he taught us to pray for in what is known as the Lord's Prayer. The Church does not teach the Kingdom nor do they know what it is.
(Cristoiglesia) Yes, the Lord’s Prayer was taught by Jesus as a response to the question How should we pray. I assume you are referring to the part of the prayer that refers to the coming kingdom, am I correct? Jesus was referring to two things which are His earthly kingdom instituted on the cross with the New Covenant and His heavenly kingdom to come when He returns.
(‘maters Granny) The Pope's Mitre is a symbol of Dagon the fish god.
(Cristoiglesia) You have been reading too much revisionist history. I believe this came from the imagination of Alexander Hislop. It is pure nonsense.
(‘maters Granny) The religion is seeped in untruths and paganism.
(Cristoiglesia) The Bible says that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” so you are disagreeing with Scriptures. I trust the Bible more than your prejudiced opinion. The Catholic Church is based entirely on the teaching of Jesus and the disciples and not on paganism. That is a ridiculous unsupportable claim. It is sinful speculation on your part.
(“maters Granny)The catechism doesn't even follow the bible.
(Cristoiglesia) There is nothing in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that is contradictory to Scriptures. It does follow the Bible.
(‘maters Granny) Jesus has no connection with anything false, or paganistic.
(Cristoiglesia) Exactly, that is why your attacks on the Church are so ridiculous. Why would Christ found a Church based on Pagan teaching or falsehoods and then tell us that His Church is the enduring Church that the gates of hell will never prevail against? Your claims to the contrary directly attack Christ’s veracity and competence in founding His Church.
(“maters Granny)He is the true, loyal witness of Jehovah God.
(Cristoiglesia) Here is where your heretical teaching reveals itself and that is in the denying of the trinity, the very nature of God and the full divinity of our Lord. Jesus is not just a witness to His Father but is God almighty Himself. He is not a created creature or an incarnation of the Archangel Michael but God incarnate or the Word itself.
(‘maters Granny) He would not sully himself with untruths, paganism, Mary worship or celebration of things that disgust his Father, Jehovah, God the Almighty. I am truly sorry you cannot see you are being duped.
(Cristoiglesia) I agree and there is no paganism in the Church or untruths which as I said before is attacking Christ directly and saying that He is a liar for making His promises to humanity about the Church He founded. There is no worship of the blessed mother as you falsely claim or things that disgust God as you falsely and without evidence proclaim. You sin by separating the Godhead and follow the heresy of Arius which was condemned by the Church as a heresy in the year 325AD. Christ was not the author of heresy through His Church that is called in Scriptures the “pillar and foundation of the truth”.
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
(Cristoiglesia) I will be pleased to address any of your so called lies and deceit if you could just reveal them. It is difficult for anyone to speculate as to what you are referring.
(‘Maters Granny) “The Pope is a man who unrightfully takes the name Holy Father.” It belongs only to Jehovah. Scripture says to call no one father except your Father in heaven. Priests have wrongfully taken than moniker and assumed a position that is not theirs to take.
(Cristoiglesia) The term Holy Father refers to the fact that the office of Pope is ordained by Jesus and it is by His authority that the Pope serves as the leader of the apostles. So, the Holiness comes from Christ’s Holiness and not from His own veracity. As for the Scripture verse you say that forbids the use of the term father your interpretation of this verse is based on prejudice causing the presupposition that Jesus was forbidding terms of respect to others. This was certainly not the intent or the correct understanding of what Jesus was teaching. This is a previous writing from my blog that will help you to understand the correct meaning of Jesus’ instructions:
From the early Church we find that clergy were addressed as father. There are those with little knowledge of history or hermeneutical discipline such as understanding Scriptures within context, who believe that the Bible prohibits one from calling a priest father. The words they rely on come directly from Christ:
(Mat 23:9 DRB) And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
Keeping the verse in context let us look at the verse preceding this verse:
(Mat 23:8 DRB) But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master: and all you are brethren.
Rabbi means teacher and the Latin word for teacher is doctor so anyone using these terms as well are violating the literal interpretation of the text.
Let us look at the verse after verse 9:
(Mat 23:10 DRB) Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, Christ.
There is no way that the interpretation could be correct if one reads and understands the Matthew passage in context. He is clearly teaching that one should not look to any human authority as our teacher, father, master, doctor or other titles of respect but instead give to God those things that are reserved for Him. Do you also refuse to call people doctor, teacher, professor, mister, or master? All of these are forbidden as well if we are to accept a literal understanding.
Context also requires that we investigate what the other Scriptures say as well as the understanding of these words by those who followed Christ. There are many instances where the writers of the New Testament contradict a literal understanding of not calling a man father, teacher or master. Consider the following verses:
(Act 5:34 DRB) But one in the council rising up, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, respected by all the people, commanded the men to be put forth a little while.
(Col 4:1 DRB) Masters, do to your servants that which is just and equal: knowing that you also have a master in heaven.
(2Ti 1:11 DRB) Wherein I am appointed a preacher and an apostle and teacher of the Gentiles.
Let us examine the statements of St. Stephen to see if he understood Christ to be speaking literally….In is soliloquy (Acts Chapter 7) before the Sanhedrin before his stoning to martyrdom he used the term father in referring to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as fathers and also to his Israelite ancestors as fathers.
St. John the beloved disciple also did not understand Christ to be teaching literally as we can see in the following verses:
(1Jn 2:13 DRB) I write unto you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one.
(1Jn 2:14 DRB) I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one.
(1Jn 2:15 DRB) Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him.
(1Jn 2:16 DRB) For all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life, which is not of the Father but is of the world.
St. Paul also had a different understanding of Christ’s words than the literalists:
(1Co 4:14 DRB) I write not these things to confound you: but I admonish you as my dearest children.
(1Co 4:15 DRB) For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.
(1Co 4:16 DRB) Wherefore, I beseech you, be ye followers of me as I also am of Christ.
St. Paul was speaking of the fact that he is called to shepherd the flock as are all priests. We not only give birth to the Christian through Baptism but also nourish the faithful with the Holy Eucharist and God’s Word. We care for them and bind their spiritual wounds through the delivery of the Sacraments. It is no wonder that we are called father as we care for our Church family as a father cares for his own family.
(‘maters Granny) Jesus is the King of the Kingdom he taught us to pray for in what is known as the Lord's Prayer. The Church does not teach the Kingdom nor do they know what it is.
(Cristoiglesia) Yes, the Lord’s Prayer was taught by Jesus as a response to the question How should we pray. I assume you are referring to the part of the prayer that refers to the coming kingdom, am I correct? Jesus was referring to two things which are His earthly kingdom instituted on the cross with the New Covenant and His heavenly kingdom to come when He returns.
(‘maters Granny) The Pope's Mitre is a symbol of Dagon the fish god.
(Cristoiglesia) You have been reading too much revisionist history. I believe this came from the imagination of Alexander Hislop. It is pure nonsense.
(‘maters Granny) The religion is seeped in untruths and paganism.
(Cristoiglesia) The Bible says that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” so you are disagreeing with Scriptures. I trust the Bible more than your prejudiced opinion. The Catholic Church is based entirely on the teaching of Jesus and the disciples and not on paganism. That is a ridiculous unsupportable claim. It is sinful speculation on your part.
(“maters Granny)The catechism doesn't even follow the bible.
(Cristoiglesia) There is nothing in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that is contradictory to Scriptures. It does follow the Bible.
(‘maters Granny) Jesus has no connection with anything false, or paganistic.
(Cristoiglesia) Exactly, that is why your attacks on the Church are so ridiculous. Why would Christ found a Church based on Pagan teaching or falsehoods and then tell us that His Church is the enduring Church that the gates of hell will never prevail against? Your claims to the contrary directly attack Christ’s veracity and competence in founding His Church.
(“maters Granny)He is the true, loyal witness of Jehovah God.
(Cristoiglesia) Here is where your heretical teaching reveals itself and that is in the denying of the trinity, the very nature of God and the full divinity of our Lord. Jesus is not just a witness to His Father but is God almighty Himself. He is not a created creature or an incarnation of the Archangel Michael but God incarnate or the Word itself.
(‘maters Granny) He would not sully himself with untruths, paganism, Mary worship or celebration of things that disgust his Father, Jehovah, God the Almighty. I am truly sorry you cannot see you are being duped.
(Cristoiglesia) I agree and there is no paganism in the Church or untruths which as I said before is attacking Christ directly and saying that He is a liar for making His promises to humanity about the Church He founded. There is no worship of the blessed mother as you falsely claim or things that disgust God as you falsely and without evidence proclaim. You sin by separating the Godhead and follow the heresy of Arius which was condemned by the Church as a heresy in the year 325AD. Christ was not the author of heresy through His Church that is called in Scriptures the “pillar and foundation of the truth”.
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
03 August, 2009
Discussion with 'maters Granny on the teaching of the Jehovah Witnesses
(‘maters Granny) I am a former Catholic.
(Cristoiglesia) I am pleased that you once were exposed to the fullness of truth that is contained within Christ’s own Church. That is a true blessing that so many people are not blessed to receive. I assume that your family was Catholic and reared you in the truth before you fell away from the truth of Christianity and was seduced by the heresy of Arius.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Version)
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Matthew 10:33 (King James Version)
33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
(‘maters Granny) Open your mind, your eyes and your ears. Sit and talk with Jehovah's Witnesses.
(Cristoiglesia) I take every opportunity to talk with Jehovah Witnesses as well as your schismatic sects like Iglesia ni Cristo and Ang Dating Daan and share with them the truth of the Gospel through the teaching of Christ’s own Church. Even those who have fallen away from the faith delivered to all are worthy of the truth contained in its fullness in Christ’s Church. There is always hope in Christ for even those who have been the victims of the false teachers and ravenous wolves of the world who seek to separate the faithful from the truth.
(‘maters Granny) Your learning came from man not God. Your very life depends on listening with open ears, heart and mind. Pray, earnestly to Jehovah in Jesus's name for guidance and direction.
(Cristoiglesia) I will pray to God in the Trinity as this is the truth revealed to Christ’s Church through the Holy Spirit which guides the Church to all truth as Jesus promised. To pray to Jesus only denies the very nature of God who is one in three persons and is a perversion of the teaching of our Lord and His disciples through Christ’s Church.
I have listened to your doctrines of men and have studied the perverse teaching of your leadership in your man-made sect that denies the very divinity of our Lord and found it to be the doctrines of devils. Satan is clever to destroy the testimony of our Lord the disciples and His Church by denying the authority of Jesus and putting into question His atoning work on the Cross by denying that He is the Lamb of God who came to save the world and calling Him a created creature and incarnation of the Angel Michael instead of Almighty God Himself the uncreated and perfect God. This perversion cannot come from the imagination of man but from the very depths of the hell that you deny and also the author of lies and confusion.
('maters Granny) My pity lies with you and those like you. The churches are full of lies and they willingly feed these to the flocks. May Jehovah have mercy on your very soul as you, as Paul did, believe you are doing right attacking his very people.
(Cristoiglesia) Daniel 7:25 (King James Version)
25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Jesus founded a Church based on His own veracity through His promises. He promised that His Church will be the enduring Church that will never fall into apostasy saying that the gates of hell will never prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18 (King James Version)
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
He said that this Church is the Church that He will be with until the end of time.
Matthew 28:20 (King James Version)
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
He compares His Church as a shining city on a hill as an example to the world and His faithful as the salt and light of the earth in His great Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:14 (King James Version)
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
The Church is the ark of salvation.
1 Peter 3:18-21 (King James Version)
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The Bible says that His Church is the Pillar and foundation of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15 (King James Version)
15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
I do not attack His people but instead pray for His mercy for those who have fallen away from the truth contained in His Church to satisfy their itching ears because they can no longer endure sound doctrine. They gather around them false teachers and form their own perversion of the Church founded by our Lord and call it good. But this church of men teaching its doctrines of men simply feeds the most carnal of desires and the darkness of the soul which is their pride and arrogance. They have usurped the very authority of the most high God for the authority of man but His kingdom is not of the world and those who through syncretism join their faith to the world will be lost in that they deny Christ and He who sent Him.
(‘maters Granny) Paul turned around from his wrong, hopefully you will also. For what reason did you go from Protestant to Catholic? Why did you not heed the admonition to "get out of her my people," referring to those involved in false worship? You went from the Harlot to mother of the Harlots.
(Cristoiglesia) I could do worse than following St. Paul. I left the Protestant faith because I realized that Jesus founded only one Church and endowed that Church all of His veracity. It truly is the fullness of truth In Christ. He prayed His last prayer before His arrest and crucifixion that we all be one in His Church just as He and the Father are one. I knew by this that to be in His will is to be faithful to His Church and not to the man-made imitations. Indeed one should reject false teaching and His Church is truly the Ark of Salvation where one is assured of the truth by Christ’s promises to His Church. Jesus founded one Church and one truth contained in that one enduring Church. His Church is spotless just as He is the spotless Lamb of God. When you attack His Church calling it vile names you attack Christ Himself. May He have mercy on you.
('maters Granny) Trintiy, hellfire. and immortal soul are false teachings. Scripture tells us the dead are unconscious, in a state opposite of life. Eccl 9:5.
The lie Satan told Eve lives on with the Churches as there is no immortal soul. Death is the wage of sin. Jehovah is a loving, merciful God and he does not lie. On the other hand man's teachings are packed with lies and displeasing to God and his Son, Jesus.
(Cristoiglesia) The matter of the Trinity was settled by the Church in addressing the heresy at the Council of Nicaea in 325. Arius lost to the Holy Spirit leading the Church but Satan continues the same lies through the Jehovah Witness sect and its evil spawns the Iglesia ni Cristo and Ang Dating Daan.
There are two eternal destinations of our eternal soul which are Heaven and Hell. All of the denying in the world will not keep Hell from being the reality of some souls. The fact is that the denial of hell makes it more of a possible reality as it begins a slippery slide from the truth contained in the teaching of Christ through His Church and into apostasy. Denial of the immortal soul is a denial of the justice and mercy of God. When the Bible speaks of the dead it is speaking of one being dead In Christ and undeserving of eternal life, which would indicate that they would be worthy of an eternity in hell. This is the case of those spoken of in Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Certainly the teaching of the Jehovah Witnesses are “Man’s” teaching from a man-made sect more influenced by Satan than Jesus. You will pride fully call yourself Christian while at the same time denying the very nature of God in the Trinity and call Jesus the created Archangel Michael and not God in the Trinity which denies the very atoning work of our Lord for He cannot be the Lamb of God and not be the perfect sacrifice prophesied in His Word. Christ is the Word made flesh who saved the world from the guilt and penalty of sin.
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
(Cristoiglesia) I am pleased that you once were exposed to the fullness of truth that is contained within Christ’s own Church. That is a true blessing that so many people are not blessed to receive. I assume that your family was Catholic and reared you in the truth before you fell away from the truth of Christianity and was seduced by the heresy of Arius.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Version)
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Matthew 10:33 (King James Version)
33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
(‘maters Granny) Open your mind, your eyes and your ears. Sit and talk with Jehovah's Witnesses.
(Cristoiglesia) I take every opportunity to talk with Jehovah Witnesses as well as your schismatic sects like Iglesia ni Cristo and Ang Dating Daan and share with them the truth of the Gospel through the teaching of Christ’s own Church. Even those who have fallen away from the faith delivered to all are worthy of the truth contained in its fullness in Christ’s Church. There is always hope in Christ for even those who have been the victims of the false teachers and ravenous wolves of the world who seek to separate the faithful from the truth.
(‘maters Granny) Your learning came from man not God. Your very life depends on listening with open ears, heart and mind. Pray, earnestly to Jehovah in Jesus's name for guidance and direction.
(Cristoiglesia) I will pray to God in the Trinity as this is the truth revealed to Christ’s Church through the Holy Spirit which guides the Church to all truth as Jesus promised. To pray to Jesus only denies the very nature of God who is one in three persons and is a perversion of the teaching of our Lord and His disciples through Christ’s Church.
I have listened to your doctrines of men and have studied the perverse teaching of your leadership in your man-made sect that denies the very divinity of our Lord and found it to be the doctrines of devils. Satan is clever to destroy the testimony of our Lord the disciples and His Church by denying the authority of Jesus and putting into question His atoning work on the Cross by denying that He is the Lamb of God who came to save the world and calling Him a created creature and incarnation of the Angel Michael instead of Almighty God Himself the uncreated and perfect God. This perversion cannot come from the imagination of man but from the very depths of the hell that you deny and also the author of lies and confusion.
('maters Granny) My pity lies with you and those like you. The churches are full of lies and they willingly feed these to the flocks. May Jehovah have mercy on your very soul as you, as Paul did, believe you are doing right attacking his very people.
(Cristoiglesia) Daniel 7:25 (King James Version)
25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Jesus founded a Church based on His own veracity through His promises. He promised that His Church will be the enduring Church that will never fall into apostasy saying that the gates of hell will never prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18 (King James Version)
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
He said that this Church is the Church that He will be with until the end of time.
Matthew 28:20 (King James Version)
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
He compares His Church as a shining city on a hill as an example to the world and His faithful as the salt and light of the earth in His great Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:14 (King James Version)
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
The Church is the ark of salvation.
1 Peter 3:18-21 (King James Version)
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The Bible says that His Church is the Pillar and foundation of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15 (King James Version)
15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
I do not attack His people but instead pray for His mercy for those who have fallen away from the truth contained in His Church to satisfy their itching ears because they can no longer endure sound doctrine. They gather around them false teachers and form their own perversion of the Church founded by our Lord and call it good. But this church of men teaching its doctrines of men simply feeds the most carnal of desires and the darkness of the soul which is their pride and arrogance. They have usurped the very authority of the most high God for the authority of man but His kingdom is not of the world and those who through syncretism join their faith to the world will be lost in that they deny Christ and He who sent Him.
(‘maters Granny) Paul turned around from his wrong, hopefully you will also. For what reason did you go from Protestant to Catholic? Why did you not heed the admonition to "get out of her my people," referring to those involved in false worship? You went from the Harlot to mother of the Harlots.
(Cristoiglesia) I could do worse than following St. Paul. I left the Protestant faith because I realized that Jesus founded only one Church and endowed that Church all of His veracity. It truly is the fullness of truth In Christ. He prayed His last prayer before His arrest and crucifixion that we all be one in His Church just as He and the Father are one. I knew by this that to be in His will is to be faithful to His Church and not to the man-made imitations. Indeed one should reject false teaching and His Church is truly the Ark of Salvation where one is assured of the truth by Christ’s promises to His Church. Jesus founded one Church and one truth contained in that one enduring Church. His Church is spotless just as He is the spotless Lamb of God. When you attack His Church calling it vile names you attack Christ Himself. May He have mercy on you.
('maters Granny) Trintiy, hellfire. and immortal soul are false teachings. Scripture tells us the dead are unconscious, in a state opposite of life. Eccl 9:5.
The lie Satan told Eve lives on with the Churches as there is no immortal soul. Death is the wage of sin. Jehovah is a loving, merciful God and he does not lie. On the other hand man's teachings are packed with lies and displeasing to God and his Son, Jesus.
(Cristoiglesia) The matter of the Trinity was settled by the Church in addressing the heresy at the Council of Nicaea in 325. Arius lost to the Holy Spirit leading the Church but Satan continues the same lies through the Jehovah Witness sect and its evil spawns the Iglesia ni Cristo and Ang Dating Daan.
There are two eternal destinations of our eternal soul which are Heaven and Hell. All of the denying in the world will not keep Hell from being the reality of some souls. The fact is that the denial of hell makes it more of a possible reality as it begins a slippery slide from the truth contained in the teaching of Christ through His Church and into apostasy. Denial of the immortal soul is a denial of the justice and mercy of God. When the Bible speaks of the dead it is speaking of one being dead In Christ and undeserving of eternal life, which would indicate that they would be worthy of an eternity in hell. This is the case of those spoken of in Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Certainly the teaching of the Jehovah Witnesses are “Man’s” teaching from a man-made sect more influenced by Satan than Jesus. You will pride fully call yourself Christian while at the same time denying the very nature of God in the Trinity and call Jesus the created Archangel Michael and not God in the Trinity which denies the very atoning work of our Lord for He cannot be the Lamb of God and not be the perfect sacrifice prophesied in His Word. Christ is the Word made flesh who saved the world from the guilt and penalty of sin.
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
29 July, 2009
What was the philosophical cause of the Reformation?
When Secular Humanism replaced Scholasticism as the popular philosophy of the time there became an increasing desire to follow one's own desires and lusts free from the restraints of the teaching of Jesus and the disciples through the Church. This was aided by the lust of power by the European princes that was usurped by the Church. An alliance formed for these complimentary goals between the Secular Humanists and the princes to usurp the Church's influence on society.
The reformers, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin and et al. labored to form a pseudo-christian faith that focused on God serving man instead of the teaching of Jesus and the disciples through the Church which taught that it is man that serves God instead. The reformers strive for a syncretic blending of Secular Humanism and Christianity and the princes were more than happy to support their efforts out of greed. While this greed motivated the political powers it was pride and arrogance that motivated the reformers and made them feel that they could construct a alternative faith to the faith founded by Jesus and the disciples to one founded upon their own desires and in many cases their own lust for power which was the case with Calvin and his theocracy in Geneva. Instead of Christianity being an obstacle for their ambitions they twisted its teaching to be an asset and a means to their goals.
From the more spiritual aspect of this movement it was a very clever approach from the enemy of the truth of the Christian faith which is Satan who certainly is the author of the confusion that was born of the Reformation or the rebellion from the Church. Because the cry of the Protestants now was for God to serve humanity because God owes humanity devotion. This is contrary to the cry of the faithful for the previous 1500 years of "let thy will be done and not thine".
The fruit of the Protestant movement is over 30,000 different ecclesiastical groups each claiming their own version of truth and each possessed by their own heresy which grows at a exponentially increasing rate. Protestantism is a diluting and obscuring of the truth contained in the teaching of the Church with a focus on man and his desires instead of man serving the will of God. In Protestantism man does not have to humble themselves before their creator but instead take pride in their own creation which usurps the work of Christ. May the Lord have mercy on them. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
The reformers, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin and et al. labored to form a pseudo-christian faith that focused on God serving man instead of the teaching of Jesus and the disciples through the Church which taught that it is man that serves God instead. The reformers strive for a syncretic blending of Secular Humanism and Christianity and the princes were more than happy to support their efforts out of greed. While this greed motivated the political powers it was pride and arrogance that motivated the reformers and made them feel that they could construct a alternative faith to the faith founded by Jesus and the disciples to one founded upon their own desires and in many cases their own lust for power which was the case with Calvin and his theocracy in Geneva. Instead of Christianity being an obstacle for their ambitions they twisted its teaching to be an asset and a means to their goals.
From the more spiritual aspect of this movement it was a very clever approach from the enemy of the truth of the Christian faith which is Satan who certainly is the author of the confusion that was born of the Reformation or the rebellion from the Church. Because the cry of the Protestants now was for God to serve humanity because God owes humanity devotion. This is contrary to the cry of the faithful for the previous 1500 years of "let thy will be done and not thine".
The fruit of the Protestant movement is over 30,000 different ecclesiastical groups each claiming their own version of truth and each possessed by their own heresy which grows at a exponentially increasing rate. Protestantism is a diluting and obscuring of the truth contained in the teaching of the Church with a focus on man and his desires instead of man serving the will of God. In Protestantism man does not have to humble themselves before their creator but instead take pride in their own creation which usurps the work of Christ. May the Lord have mercy on them. God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
27 July, 2009
Discussion with richardatf with continued personal attacks
(richardatf) Picking the questions and issues I pose that are convenient for you, then responding to them on your blog is hiding from the issues. Plus you do not answer them directly.
(Cristoiglesia) I am answering every one of your questions directly.
(richardatf) By what authority has the catholic church changed the observance to Saturday? answer directly
(Cristoiglesia) By the direct authority of Jesus.
Matt 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Mat 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Mat 16:19 gives an important additional element which clarifies what binding and loosing means. It says Matt 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
(richardatf) Was Jesus sent to a burning hell? Answer directly
(Cristoiglesia)no
(richardatf) I tire of this, all I ever get from catholic priests is obfuscation, catechisms, and mistranslations of scripture. It would appear the catholic faith as a whole is incapable of utilizing a Strongs Concordance to learn the meaning of words.
(Cristoiglesia) No, there is no obfuscation, mistranslations or lack of understanding for the original languages. I really do not need Strongs to interpret because I have an education in biblical languages.
(richardatf) Perhaps you consider me harsh and not very Christlike in my demeanor to you.
(Cristoiglesia) Truly you speak! Your impolite bluster belies your frustration and lack of confidence.
(richardatf) Let me tell you, I have nothing against the people in the catholic church. There are many who believe in Christ Jesus with all their hearts and minds and souls. What is unfortunate is the system that teaches these poor souls to worship in a manner that God will not accept. And you teach this system.
(Cristoiglesia) Really, your attitude towards Christ’s Church and its faithful in conjunction with your blatant lies and innuendos against the Church puts the veracity of your statements into great question. Instead you come across as an ignorant, hateful, bigoted, judgmental, arrogant and prideful tool of Satan. The “system” you speak of is the system that was founded by Jesus and the disciples with the promise that it will endure for all time free from apostasy and is the “pillar and foundation of the truth.”
(richardatf)You have nothing against people bowing to statues of Mary (your words). The crux of our argument is this idolatry. And it does not matter what YOU think idolatry is, it matters what God thinks it is. He has made it clear what it is and you continue in it. God will judge you, and I have warned you.”
(Cristoiglesia) No I do not as long as the focus of all worship is towards our Lord and Savior. I agree that it is our Lord that will judge and not you from your own prejudice and hatred. God knows the heart of men and not you who is lost in your own arrogance and hatred. You are the victim of false teachers because you are like those that Jesus prophesied about who can no longer endure sound doctrine and have gathered around them teachers who satisfy their itching ears. Jesus says that at judgment that these will be treated as if He never knew them and they will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity.
(richardatf)Keep your "god bless"es to yourself, for your god is not my God. I want nothing to do with your false gods, and you have many.
(Cristoiglesia) No, I worship one God of the Trinity. The Bible teaches me to bless and pray for those who hate me and the Church.
Mat 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
"Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves." Romans 13:1-2
"He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me." (Mt 10:40)
And:
"He who hears you hears Me, and he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." (Lk 10:16)
(richardatf) But do not think you have answered anything satisfactorily.
(Cristoiglesia) Absolutely!
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
(Cristoiglesia) I am answering every one of your questions directly.
(richardatf) By what authority has the catholic church changed the observance to Saturday? answer directly
(Cristoiglesia) By the direct authority of Jesus.
Matt 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Mat 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Mat 16:19 gives an important additional element which clarifies what binding and loosing means. It says Matt 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
(richardatf) Was Jesus sent to a burning hell? Answer directly
(Cristoiglesia)no
(richardatf) I tire of this, all I ever get from catholic priests is obfuscation, catechisms, and mistranslations of scripture. It would appear the catholic faith as a whole is incapable of utilizing a Strongs Concordance to learn the meaning of words.
(Cristoiglesia) No, there is no obfuscation, mistranslations or lack of understanding for the original languages. I really do not need Strongs to interpret because I have an education in biblical languages.
(richardatf) Perhaps you consider me harsh and not very Christlike in my demeanor to you.
(Cristoiglesia) Truly you speak! Your impolite bluster belies your frustration and lack of confidence.
(richardatf) Let me tell you, I have nothing against the people in the catholic church. There are many who believe in Christ Jesus with all their hearts and minds and souls. What is unfortunate is the system that teaches these poor souls to worship in a manner that God will not accept. And you teach this system.
(Cristoiglesia) Really, your attitude towards Christ’s Church and its faithful in conjunction with your blatant lies and innuendos against the Church puts the veracity of your statements into great question. Instead you come across as an ignorant, hateful, bigoted, judgmental, arrogant and prideful tool of Satan. The “system” you speak of is the system that was founded by Jesus and the disciples with the promise that it will endure for all time free from apostasy and is the “pillar and foundation of the truth.”
(richardatf)You have nothing against people bowing to statues of Mary (your words). The crux of our argument is this idolatry. And it does not matter what YOU think idolatry is, it matters what God thinks it is. He has made it clear what it is and you continue in it. God will judge you, and I have warned you.”
(Cristoiglesia) No I do not as long as the focus of all worship is towards our Lord and Savior. I agree that it is our Lord that will judge and not you from your own prejudice and hatred. God knows the heart of men and not you who is lost in your own arrogance and hatred. You are the victim of false teachers because you are like those that Jesus prophesied about who can no longer endure sound doctrine and have gathered around them teachers who satisfy their itching ears. Jesus says that at judgment that these will be treated as if He never knew them and they will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity.
(richardatf)Keep your "god bless"es to yourself, for your god is not my God. I want nothing to do with your false gods, and you have many.
(Cristoiglesia) No, I worship one God of the Trinity. The Bible teaches me to bless and pray for those who hate me and the Church.
Mat 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
"Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves." Romans 13:1-2
"He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me." (Mt 10:40)
And:
"He who hears you hears Me, and he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." (Lk 10:16)
(richardatf) But do not think you have answered anything satisfactorily.
(Cristoiglesia) Absolutely!
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
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