Discussion with Ronald about his disagreements with the Church

Part 1

(Ronald) “The Catholic Church does teach the Pope is Infallible , which is a power higher than God,when he makes up doctrines that oppose the Truth in the Bible.”

(Cristoiglesia) On what authority do you make your claims? Why should I believe that you have more authority than Jesus gave to His Church? Show me in Scriptures where you can usurp the authority that Jesus gave to His Church.

First of all the Pope does not make up doctrines nor will there ever be any doctrines of the Church that are in any way contradictory to Scriptures. The Bible says that the Church is the "pillar and foundation of the truth" and not the Bible. The only authority that the Bible has is given to it by the Church that created it by writing the New Testament and canonizing the entirety of the Christian Bible at the three African Synods in the late 4th and early 5th centuries. It is blasphemy for you to claim that anyone is a higher power than God.

(Ronald) “All the doctrines about Mary that were declared true by the Popes are in direct opposition of the Truth we have received from the Holy Spirit.”

 (Cristoiglesia) Really? How did you come to that illogical decision? Who are “we”?

(Ronald) “ Therefore the Catholic Church has given the Popes powers above and beyond the powers of God.”

(Cristoiglesia) What would those powers be?

(Ronald) “To say a person can oppose the Truth from God by saying he is Infallible is a Mortal sin.”

(Cristoiglesia) Who are you saying has done this and where is your evidence? What truth is opposed?

(Ronald) “How can God reward Catholics for teaching false witness against Mary? If Mary were here she would also say its a Mortal sin for teaching mans made up doctrines about her.’

(Cristoiglesia) What made up doctrines are you speaking of?

(Ronald) “Be very careful what you teach for you may find yourself in danger of Hell Fire for opposing the Truths from God.”

(Cristoiglesia) I am very careful and have spent my entire life in study to be approved by God. However, it seems as if you are attempting to bear false witness which is a mortal sin that will murder your soul to Christ.

(Ronald) “This is a good example why the Catholic Church has no right to interpret the Bible by themselves.”

(Cristoiglesia) Actually, the only authority that Jesus gave to interpret the Bible is to His Church. The Bible forbids anyone else to interpret the Bible. The reason is that when people take the authority upon themselves it results in errors as you are making here.

(Ronald) “The Catholic Church needs to listen to us True Christians on what God teaches in the Bible.”

(Cristoiglesia) “True Christians”? Explain how you can be more “true” than the Christians that are obedient to Christ in His own Church? You are being illogical.

(Ronald) “The Catholic Church needs to return to worshiping God only and needs to reject all doctrines not found in the Bible.”

(Cristoiglesia)  I could not help but notice that you could not identify even one doctrine that is contradictory to Scriptures

(Ronald) “For the Bible is our only source of Truths from God because it was written by the Holy Spirit and not by the Catholic Church.”

(Cristoiglesia) Certainly the Holy Spirit inspired the Catholic writers of the Bible just as He does the Church. He was given to us at Pentecost. Come into the Catholic Church and you can receive Him also. Get out of your man-made counterfeit sect that is leading you to error. Actually, the Bible teaches that it is the Church that is the source of all spiritual and moral truth.

It seems as if you need a better teacher that can teach you the truth given directly to the Church by Jesus. Jesus prayed that you have unity in His Church, believe true doctrines and reject false teachers that satisfy your itching ears. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 2

(Ronald) “It is true we are to ask others to pray for us but it never was intended to ask people who were dead to pray for us.”

(Cristoiglesia) It is the teaching of the Gospel of our Lord that those in Christ who die a mortal death are immediately in the presence of Christ. Those who die without belief are immediately sent to the abode of the dead in Christ which is hell. Prayer to the first who are in Christ is taught in Scriptures. The latter that are in hell is called necromancy and such prayer is forbidden. The saints are very much alive or the Gospel is a lie.

(Ronald) “Why would anyone ask Mary to pray for them when Mary has no power to hear the prayers of everybody. Only God can hear all of the prayers of everybody at the same time. Mary does not have this power.”

(Cristoiglesia) How did you get this idea? Certainly it did not come from the Bible.

(Ronald) “Where in the Bible does God say to ask for the intercession of saints for salvation?”

(Cristoiglesia) First of all it is disingenuous to state that the practice of praying for each other has no biblical foundation, we are instructed in Scripture to have a prayer life for others as it is part of God’s commandment to love one another.

(2Co 5:8 DRB) But we are confident and have a good will to be absent rather from the body and to be present with the Lord.

The Catholic Church does not teach that it is absolutely necessary for one to ask for the intercession of saints for salvation. The Church does teach that prayer to God is necessary for salvation for all believers. For a Catholic it would be wrong to ignore the liturgical worship offered to God at feast days for the saints and the prayers asking for their intercession.

The Communion of Saints is a dogma of the ancient Church and is recorded in the apostles Creed. It simply states that the faithful because of their relationship with Christ are alive even after the death of their flesh and worship with us. To us the Church is made up of the Church militant who represents all those believers living out their hope in the flesh.

(Phi 2:12 DRB) Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but much more now in my absence) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.

(Phi 2:13 DRB) For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will.

It consists of the Church Suffering who are those who are temporarily in need of further purgation from sin so that they may enjoy the presence of God.

(2Ma 12:46 DRB) It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

Lastly, the Communion of the Saints consists of those who have won the race:

(Phi 3:14 DRB) I press towards the mark, to the prize of the supernal vocation of God in Christ Jesus.

Their immortal souls are in heaven in God’s presence:

(Rev 5:8 DRB) And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

The universal stream connecting all of God’s creation is His love, which we take on in our baptism into our journey towards sanctification. This is not an emotional but a desire placed in us by the Spirit of God that endures as a desire for those other than ourselves and this love extends even to our enemies. This is truly a love that comes only from God and is a foreign concept and nonsense to those who have not received God’s salvific grace. This desire within our souls does not end with the death of our flesh but continues into eternity where the saints through their intercession in prayer encourage us in our race and assist us to endure unto our union with God.

I think that some people of faith, who do not understand the Communion of Saints, somehow believe that asking saints to pray for us is detracting from our love or our trust in God. In truth it is impossible, if we truly love as God commands and has given us the grace to understand, not to pray to those whom we love and in turn we expect them to return that same love to us by praying for us and presenting our prayers to God.

(Ronald) We are saved by Grace and not by "Works".

Ephesian 2:8,9

8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

(Cristoiglesia) Works salvation or Pelagianism is a heresy condemned by the Church.

"If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema."
-Council of Trent, Sixth Session, Canon I

As you can see, what you accuse Catholics of is not true and that the Church teaches the exact opposite of what you have been told and believe.

(Ronald) “1 Timothy 2:5

5For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time

If there is only one Mediator we need to go through to reach God why would we ever want to try and go though a sinner who cannot bring us unto the Father?”

Huh, the Church teaches that there is one mediator but we who are in Christ can be intercessors for one another. In fact, the Bible tells us that this is in accordance to Christ’s greatest commandment to love one another. We are to pray for one another to show our love.

(Ronald) “No Saint nor Mary is a Mediator. Mary cannot do what you Catholics teach because Mary was only a sinner who followed God, she has no Godly powers like your Church teaches.’

The Church does not teach that the blessed mother of God has any power not from her Son. However, she was never a sinner.

(Ronald) “So why are you wasting your time with Mary when you can go directly to God Himself? God can do a lot more for you than Mary ever can.”

Jesus gave His mother to His Church and it is her ministry to help all people who desire to come to Her Son and to encourage them. It is by her example that we desire her Son as she has received the eternal life in Christ that we desire. Not to avail ourselves of her ministry given by her Son would be ungrateful of those who have received the divine blessing of her intercession for us.

(Ronald) “Therefore why waste your time with Mary when God can do a lot more for you?”

If it is a waste of time as you claim then why did Jesus give her to us? You are not making any sense.

(Ronald) “Mary cannot forgive your sins, Mary cannot give you Salvation, and Mary cannot give you blessing like God can give, so why follow Mary?”

(Cristoiglesia) It is because Jesus by giving her to us blessed us with her ministry and her presence in our lives to encourage us to remain faithful to her Son.

God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 3

(Ronald) "One problem with this doctrine is that if Mary was sinless, she did not need a Redeemer."

(Cristoiglesia) How was she sinless if she did not have a redeemer? The truth is that she did have a redeemer and it is the same redeemer as us all. The following is my writing from my blog on this topic and you can feel free to refute anything that I have written if you can. Otherwise I will assume that you cannot.

Now let's look at the issue of blessed mother's sinless nature. Consider that when the angel addresses the blessed mother at the annunciation, the greeting is almost a name change:

"Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women" (Luke 1:28, KJV).

Mary (Miriam in Hebrew) means "beloved." In biblical times a person's name reflected what they were. Name changes have great theological significance in the Bible and this is almost as if her name is being changed from "beloved" to "thou that art highly favored." Since this is before Jesus has been conceived, to what is the angel referring? No doubt to her singular devotion to God, forsaking all earthly distractions and desecrations, and the fact that she had been conceived without sin in preparation for this event.

Being conceived without sin does not mean that the blessed mother had no need of a redeemer. In fact, like every descendant of Adam, the blessed mother had vital need of a redeemer. The blessed mother's freedom from original sin was an unmerited gift of God in that she was redeemed by Christ at the moment of her conception. It is at the moment of conception that God creates the soul and hers was created in a state of sanctifying grace. If you had the opportunity to create your mother, wouldn't you make her perfect in every way? This is why there are the doctrines of the perpetual virginity and Immaculate Conception of Mary.

Jesus refers to the blessed mother's sinless nature when He addresses her as "woman" in John 2:4 and 19:26. Today, one looks at Him addressing her in this manner and thinks this is disrespectful or that He is admonishing her. In fact, the blessed mother was not the first sinless woman, Adam's wife was also created sinless. When she was first created, Adam named her "woman" (Genesis 2:23). It was after the fall, when she was no longer sinless, that her name was changed to "Eve" (Genesis 3:20). By referring to the blessed mother as "woman," Jesus is recognizing her sinless nature. Like I said earlier, name changes in Holy Scripture are important.

(Ronald) “Also if she no sin she was herself fit to be the champion of our redemption.”

(Cristoiglesia) Show me that in biblical prophecy about the Messiah.

(Ronald) “Also in the Bible , Book of Luke, Mary confessed her need for a Savior indicating that she was sinful and needed to be forgiven for her sins.”

(Cristoiglesia) She was saved at conception by her Son’s redemptive work on the cross.

(Ronald) “If Mary knew she was a sinner and she knew she needed to be forgive of her sins, then how can the Catholic Church say Mary was sinless?”

(Cristoiglesia) It has been explained to you in detail . God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 4

(Ronald) “Do you know that Paul said over and over again in the Bible that everybody is a sinner?”

(Cristoiglesia) Do you not know that the angel of our Lord at the annunciation recognized the sinlessness of the blessed mother? Do you not know that the blessed mother as the mother of God incarnate was prepared at her very conception in a sinless state so that she could bear God. God could not be nurtured in a sinful vessel. St. Paul was emphasizing the normal condition of humanity but obviously there were exceptions.

All Christians will agree that there is at least one person who never sinned and that is our Lord and Savior. Being an exception means that there may be other possibilities of exceptions although we can agree that the circumstances of our Savior are unique being fully man and fully God. No other person future or past can make such a claim. As you know the Bible says that the blessed mother is "full" of God's grace at the Annunciation. We believe that God had prepared her for that moment of saying yes to be the God bearer. The womb that bore and nurtured our Lord is the Ark of the New Covenant which is Christ our Lord. God cannot dwell within sin so the blessed mother was saved by God's grace before she was even conceived in the womb immaculately. She was in need of a Savior as we all are and our Lord provided for her salvation and indeed her sanctity even before her conception. Being and remaining full of grace means that the blessed mother of God never sinned but would have been tempted to sin as the new Eve just as the original Eve was tempted. But just as her Son withstood temptation, her grace was so great that she was able to overcome all temptation.

Just for the record, the Bible also says that St. John the Baptist was saved from original sin but he was saved at birth and not conception. The blessed mother was unique in her immaculate conception.

We are all born with original sin which was caused by our original parents bringing sin and death into the world. We have inherited that sin nature from the original fall from grace.

As was prophesied in the Old Testament a virgin will bear a son called Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14). That Son is to become the Lamb of God and a replacement for the Paschal Lamb of Passover which is emblematic of Christ as the feast of the New Covenant. This prophecy is important in that it illustrates the necessity of the perfect sacrifice. Not one of a perfection of the flesh as the Paschal Lamb refers but the perfection of the soul which requires a divine nature as no human alone could fulfill the perfection required by the Father but only the God-man in Jesus. Being fully God, He could not dwell and be nurtured in a vessel containing sin nor could the Lamb of God inherit the original sin of our original parents. So, out of necessity and in preparation to the blessed mother’s obedience she was saved by Christ at her conception. The blessed mother was in such a state of grace before conceiving and nurturing the unborn Jesus that she is described as being “full of Grace”. Of course being full of God’s grace leaves no room for sin.

Now keep in mind that some may argue that Jesus does not qualify as a type of the Paschal Lamb because the Paschal Lamb was required to be without any physical blemish. Certainly, the wounds of Jesus by His scourging left Him as anything but a physically unblemished sacrifice. It is significant to acknowledge that the Paschal Lamb of the Passover saved one from physical death while Jesus being emblematic saves one from the death of the soul into sin. Therefore, the Lamb of God had the perfection of the soul necessary to atone for sin which causes spiritual death.

Furthermore, while the obedience of the Israelites at Passover instituted a special kinship of the people as the family of God so too does the new kingdom instituted by Christ’s atoning sacrifice institute a new kinship or Covenant signified by the fact that we are to eat the Lamb in all its Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity just as the Israelites had to eat the Lamb to be saved. Just like them it could not be a symbolic Lamb but its real flesh consumed; so too are we to partake of the reality of the feast provided by our Lord.

People may argue that it is not possible for Christ to save the blessed mother at her conception as the atoning sacrifice on the Cross has not yet occurred; this same argument by critics of the Eucharist argue similarly. But the fact is that God dwells outside of time where everything is in the eternal present without future or past. In the Scriptures according to St. Johns account of Jesus’ Colloquy at Capernaum in chapter 6 he said, “do this in remembrance of me” as translated into English but this is often a misunderstanding as to what Jesus was really saying because in English “remembrance means to recall a past event which is an approximation of the Greek meaning since there is no corresponding English equivalent. . However, the Koine Greek word used was “anamnesis” which has in its meaning an expectation of a miracle which transcends time and place. So what was truly being conveyed by Jesus’ words recorded by St. John is that the disciples truly ate the sacrificed flesh and drank the spilt Blood of our Lord just as we do today sharing in that one sacrifice presented by our Lord and shared by the entire Church in all its glorious manifestations. Therefore His atoning sacrifice provides for all humanity past, present and future.

(Ronald) “Everybody also means Mary. The only person who was sinless is Jesus Christ. Mary was born a sinner, lived as a sinner and died as a sinner.”

(Cristoiglesia) Nonsense…name one sin of the blessed mother of God.

(Ronald) “This is why the Catholic Church cannot Interpret the Bible by themselves. The Catholic Church has no clue about how to Interpret the Bible, this is why you need True Christians like me to help you understand correctly what God teaches in the Bible.”

(Cristoiglesia) The Catholic Church has 2000 years of scholarship and the best biblical scholars that ever lived. It was Catholic Christians that wrote the Bible (NT) and canonized the Christian Bible. It is the Church that translated the Bible into vernacular languages and it is the truth that Jesus entrusted to teach His flock. Jesus gave to His Church all authority for teaching. Where does your authority come to interpret the Bible or teach anything? The fact is that you have none except in your imagination. I will say this to you….a true Christian would not bear false witness against others as they would know that such acts are mortal sins that will murder their soul to Christ and result in eternal damnation. The Bible says that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. So how do you justify contradicting Scriptures with your false accusations?

(Ronald) “Romans 1:16,17

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

You need us True Christians to help you see the Salvation God has for you in His Gospel. Its very easy to receive Salvation and once you are filled with the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit you too can have the truth about what God teaches in the Bible!”

(Cristoiglesia) We were filled with the Holy Spirit in 33AD. Where in the Bible does it say that heretics outside of Christ’s Church are filled with the Holy Spirit?

(Ronald) “Believe in you Heart that Jesus Christ is God and accept Him into your Heart and you will receive Salvation and Justification to stand in Righteous with God.”

(Cristoiglesia) It is very difficult to believe that a person outside of the only Church founded by Jesus, who refuses to be obedient to His will that we all have unity as one in His Church can be justified. You are filled with little truth and a great amount of false teaching but it is possible but unlikely that you can also be saved if you believe only that Jesus is God in the Trinity. Without that essence of belief there can be no salvation just as there can be no salvation without His merciful Church. We do not know the depth of His mercy or greatness of His love but we pray that all can be saved even if they refuse His will like you.  God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 5

(Ronald) “Paul clearly says everybody is a sinner and there are none that are righteous for everybody is a sinner.

Romans 3:10

“None is righteous, no, not one"

Romans 3:23

23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The Holy Spirit clearly told Paul to write these verses, so are you calling the Holy spirit a liar?

To claim Mary was sinless even though the Holy Spirit clearly says Mary was a sinner is calling the Holy Spirit a liar.”

(Cristoiglesia) Now let's look at the issue of blessed mother's sinless nature. Consider that when the angel addresses the blessed mother at the annunciation, the greeting is almost a name change:

"Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women" (Luke 1:28, KJV).

St. Paul was making a general statement about the sinfulness of man’s nature but there are obviously exceptions in the Bible. Jesus was without sin. Eve and Adam were created without sin and John the Baptist was said to be without sin.

Mary (Miriam in Hebrew) means "beloved." In biblical times a person's name reflected what they were. Name changes have great theological significance in the Bible and this is almost as if her name is being changed from "beloved" to "thou that art highly favored." Since this is before Jesus has been conceived, to what is the angel referring? No doubt to her singular devotion to God, forsaking all earthly distractions and desecrations, and the fact that she had been conceived without sin in preparation for this event.

Being conceived without sin does not mean that the blessed mother had no need of a redeemer. In fact, like every descendant of Adam, the blessed mother had vital need of a redeemer. The blessed mother's freedom from original sin was an unmerited gift of God in that she was redeemed by Christ at the moment of her conception. It is at the moment of conception that God creates the soul and hers was created in a state of sanctifying grace. If you had the opportunity to create your mother, wouldn't you make her perfect in every way? This is why there are the doctrines of the perpetual virginity and Immaculate Conception of Mary.

Jesus refers to the blessed mother's sinless nature when He addresses her as "woman" in John 2:4 and 19:26. Today, one looks at Him addressing her in this manner and thinks this is disrespectful or that He is admonishing her. In fact, the blessed mother was not the first sinless woman; Adam's wife was also created sinless. When she was first created, Adam named her "woman" (Genesis 2:23). It was after the fall, when she was no longer sinless, that her name was changed to "Eve" (Genesis 3:20). 

By referring to the blessed mother as "woman," Jesus is recognizing her sinless nature. Like I said earlier, name changes in Holy Scripture are important.

(Ronald) “You Catholics really need to stop following the lies the Catholic Church teaches and return to the Truth from God.

The problem with teaching Mary was sinless is this could stop you from receiving any rewards in Heaven. How can God reward you for bearing false witness to the Holy Spirit? For that matter how can you receive Salvation if you refuse to accept God as your Lord and Savior?

It seems you are very hung up on making Mary equal or greater than God Himself. Mary was only a human who was a sinner. Mary is nowhere near being like God.

The Holy Spirit says Mary was a sinner, Mary herself said she was a sinner so why are you bearing false witness against the Holy Spirit and Mary?”

(Cristoiglesia) So far you have not been able to identify and support your contention of “lies” in Church teaching but instead you show only your ignorance of Scripture and biblical hermeneutical practice. So, your bearing false witness only supports that you are the liar and not the Church founded by Christ. How can you condemn yourself further by erroneously stating that I refuse to accept God as my Lord and Savior? That is a vicious lie with no basis in fact. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 6

(Ronald) “The doctrine of the immaculate conception was declared in a papal encyclical in 1854. If this was true then why was it not declared by the Disciples in the 1st century?”

(Cristoiglesia) It was not declared by encyclical but instead confirmed the ongoing teaching of the Church from the Disciples in the 1st century.

(Ronald) One problem with this doctrine is that if Mary was sinless, she did not need a Redeemer.

(Cristoiglesia) We are all born with original sin which was caused by our original parents bringing sin and death into the world. We have inherited that sin nature from the original fall from grace.

As was prophesied in the Old Testament a virgin will bear a son called Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14). That Son is to become the Lamb of God and a replacement for the Paschal Lamb of Passover which is emblematic of Christ as the feast of the New Covenant. This prophecy is important in that it illustrates the necessity of the perfect sacrifice. Not one of a perfection of the flesh as the Paschal Lamb refers but the perfection of the soul which requires a divine nature as no human alone could fulfill the perfection required by the Father but only the God-man in Jesus. Being fully God, He could not dwell and be nurtured in a vessel containing sin nor could the Lamb of God inherit the original sin of our original parents. So, out of necessity and in preparation to the blessed mother’s obedience she was saved by Christ at her conception. The blessed mother was in such a state of grace before conceiving and nurturing the unborn Jesus that she is described as being “full of Grace”. Of course being full of God’s grace leaves no room for sin.

Now keep in mind that some may argue that Jesus does not qualify as a type of the Paschal Lamb because the Paschal Lamb was required to be without any physical blemish. Certainly, the wounds of Jesus by His scourging left Him as anything but a physically unblemished sacrifice. It is significant to acknowledge that the Paschal Lamb of the Passover saved one from physical death while Jesus being emblematic saves one from the death of the soul into sin. Therefore, the Lamb of God had the perfection of the soul necessary to atone for sin which causes spiritual death.

Furthermore, while the obedience of the Israelites at Passover instituted a special kinship of the people as the family of God so too does the new kingdom instituted by Christ’s atoning sacrifice institute a new kinship or Covenant signified by the fact that we are to eat the Lamb in all its Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity just as the Israelites had to eat the Lamb to be saved. Just like them it could not be a symbolic Lamb but its real flesh consumed; so too are we to partake of the reality of the feast provided by our Lord.

People may argue that it is not possible for Christ to save the blessed mother at her conception as the atoning sacrifice on the Cross has not yet occurred; this same argument by critics of the Eucharist argue similarly. But the fact is that God dwells outside of time where everything is in the eternal present without future or past. In the Scriptures according to St. Johns account of Jesus’ Colloquy at Capernaum in chapter 6 he said, “do this in remembrance of me” as translated into English but this is often a misunderstanding as to what Jesus was really saying because in English “remembrance means to recall a past event which is an approximation of the Greek meaning since there is no corresponding English equivalent. . However, the Koine Greek word used was “anamnesis” which has in its meaning an expectation of a miracle which transcends time and place. So what was truly being conveyed by Jesus’ words recorded by St. John is that the disciples truly ate the sacrificed flesh and drank the spilt Blood of our Lord just as we do today sharing in that one sacrifice presented by our Lord and shared by the entire Church in all its glorious manifestations. Therefore His atoning sacrifice provides for all humanity past, present and future.

(Ronald) Also if she no sin she was herself fit to be the champion of our redemption. Also in the Bible , Book of Luke, Mary confessed her need for a Savior indicating that she was sinful and needed to be forgiven for her sins. If Mary knew she was a sinner and she knew she needed to be forgive of her sins, then how can the Catholic Church say Mary was sinless?

(Cristoiglesia) Sinless does not equate to perfect. It was necessary for the Lamb of God to be perfect. Perfection required that the Lamb of God be God incarnate. As it has already been explained to you in detail the blessed mother indeed needed a Savior and it is Her Son that saved her at the moment of her conception. It was the angel of our Lord that said she was sinless at the Annunciation and not the Church. The Church simply confirms that the angel of God was correct. As a result of Christ’s salvific work she was saved from sin at her conception according to a reasonable understanding of Scripture. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 7

(Ronald) Mary is not God and Mary was never given any gift of being sinless. Mary is only a a created being with a sin nature like all the rest of us.

(Cristoiglesia) Your assumptions have already been refuted. She was saved from sin at her conception.

(Ronald) Mary cannot do anything for us. She is not our Mediator between us and God. She cannot hear our prayers because she is not omnipresence.

(Cristoiglesia) No one has claimed her to be our mediator. If you knew Scriptures you would know that there is one mediator which is Christ Jesus. She is like every member of the Church in that she can be and is our intercessor as the Bible teaches that the prayers of the righteous are of great benefit and none are more righteous than the blessed mother of God. The blessed mother lives outside of time in heaven which is an eternal present. As a result hearing our prayers is not outside of her capability. Obviously our prayers are heard by the saints because in St. John’s Apocalypse we are told that they are presented to God before His throne.

(Ronald) Mary is not included with the Trinity like you Catholics teach. The Trinity is made up of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Mary is not included in this mixture for she is only a human being.

(Cristoiglesia) Such is not Catholic teaching. The Church has proclaimed the Trinity for 2000 years as the Father as the first person, the Son Jesus as the second person and the Holy Spirit as the third person of the one God. You are bearing false witness again about Church teaching. The blessed mother of God is a perfected person in Christ.

(Ronald) Mary does not work with God doing anything for us. Its Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who works with The Father for us.

(Cristoiglesia) Are you trying to proclaim yourself as a Modalist? All Christians work for the salvation of one another. It is an act of love for one another that was commanded by Jesus.

(Ronald) I really do believe you have allowed Satan to blind you. You are walking in darkness and cannot see the Truth in the very Words of God His Holy Bible which has all the Truths from God. It’s a shame you reject the very teachings you need to walk in the Light with Jesus.

(Cristoiglesia) Again you simply proclaim your ignorance of biblical teaching. The Bible says that it is the Church that is the fullness of truth proclaiming that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. The Bible is the word of God that needs the Church as the infallible interpreter. The Bible states that it is not for private interpretation but that its truths are to be proclaimed and taught by the Church that you reject. Of course, this is one of the truths of Scripture that you ignore which may very well result in your destruction. I once rejected the Church as you but praise be to God I was blessed with a Berean spirit to find the truth. After 50 years of study I could no longer deny that unity in Christ’s own Church was His desire and not in the man-made counterfeits to His own Church.

(Ronald)How can you expect to grow in the Spirit when all you can do is drink milk? You need to grow in the Spirit and the Truths from God before you can handle the meat of the Truths from God.

(Cristoiglesia) I have no problem understanding and following the truth in Christ that come from His Church that He prayed we have unity within. He spoke of people like you as those who cannot endure sound doctrine and seek out false teachers that satisfy their itching ears. But the truth remains that the sound doctrines emanate from His Church and not from the doctrines of men and devils.

(Ronald) “I will pray for you that God will send to you the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit so you too can see the Truth God has for you.

(Cristoiglesia) I appreciate anyone’s prayers but thanks to God I have been guided by the Holy Spirit since I was 8 days old and have been led to the truth.

(Ronald) If you keep on the wide road you may miss out on entering into Heaven. It’s the narrow winding road that leads to Jesus and Eternity in Heaven.

(Cristoiglesia) According to Jesus and the Bible the narrow road to salvation is through the Church.

(Ronald) “Next time you read the Bible ask the Holy Spirit to teach you the Truth that is in His Book the Bible and the Truth will set you free from your bondage to sin.”

I do and also seek the fullness of truth promised by the Bible in His Church.

God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Part 8

(Ronald) God has said there are many false Christians mixed in with the True Born Again Christians. Wheat with Tares. I really do not see any Fruits of the Spirit in you. You seem to hate all Born Again Christians who are not in the catholic Church.

Did you know hating anybody will keep you out of Heaven?

1 John 3:11-15

11For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother’s righteous. 13Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death. 15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

If you hate the True Christians because they do not belong to the Catholic Church will keep you out of Heaven. You cannot hate and expect to enter into Heaven.

I have seen in lots of your answers to questions that you seem to hate all those who do not follow the Catholic Church. I beg you to really read what God says about loving others because there is a very good chance you may be keep out of Heaven by your hate for the Brothers in Christ.”

(Cristoiglesia) If I had any hate for you or anyone else I have discussions with I would not share the truth with you of God’s Holy Word and the desire of our Lord that we all be one in His Church and reject man-made sects that pretend to be in God’s will. Jesus made it very plain what is His will in His prayer the night of His arrest saying Father let them be one as you and I are one. You and others like you reject the stated will of God by remaining outside of His own Church that He founded for us so that we could not be deceived by evil and the doctrines of men that you hold so dear. If one is a true Christian they are obedient to Christ in the only Church that He founded with the disciples. It is not unloving but the opposite motivation to share the truth with others who are deceived by false doctrines. Your ignorance and/or rejection of God’s Word that does not satisfy your itching ears does nothing but provoke me to believe that you love the world more than Christ. Otherwise you would be obedient to His will and not let the pride fullness of your spirit to stand in the way of Christ’s will for your life. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph