(The Apostle) Wow, what arrogance...We wrote the new testament....OK, if you say so. Not one of the writers of the new testament was a Catholic.
(Cristoiglesia) You are correct not one was Catholic but all of them were. If they were not Catholic Christians who were they? Jesus only founded one Church and it is the Catholic Church which existed 1500 years before the Protestants. All of the Scriptures, history, and Patristic evidence testify to this fact. Do you only believe in Scriptures when they support your heretical and false teaching? Show me evidence that there was another Church than the one founded by Jesus in the first century. Don’t waste your time looking there is no other Church.
(The Apostle) I know what you teach and I know what you practice. If you want to justify it in any way, that is your business and you have to deal with it.
(Cristoiglesia) Thank God I do not have to justify before God our obedience to His Church as He prayed that we all be one in His Church as He and the Father are one. You are the one who has departed from His teaching for the doctrines and sects of men and not I. I have come home to His Church after 50 years in the darkness of Protestantism. If you indeed know what the Church teaches why then do you persist in bearing false witness against the Church?
(The Apostle) You said the catechism is the entirety of church understanding......That is the problem. The church is based on Gods word. Nothing else.
(Cristoiglesia) There you are spouting the heresy of Sola Scriptura. The Bible teaches against such nonsense. The Bible clearly states that not all of Jesus’ teaching is contained in Scriptures but that the fullness of truth is contained in His Church. The Bible clearly states that His Church is the enduring Church that will last for all times and that the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church yet you suggest unreasonably that it has. It further states that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth.” Do not follow heresies and the doctrines of men but the authority Christ left on earth which is His Church based on the foundation of apostolic succession. You have only a part of God’s Word and expect to have the fullness of truth. This teaching of yours is truly from the depths of hell.
(The Apostle) How about the commandment that says not to make any image or likeness of the things of heaven. You dont even have a clue what Jesus or Mary look like, and yet you make statues of them. Whether you worship them or not, it is a sin to create them. It is a sin to display them. It is a sin to bow before them, whatever you claim is your reasoning.
(Cristoiglesia) You are taking Scriptures that forbid idolatry and applying it against all sacred art. That is really twisting Scriptures to match your presuppositions. It is a very unscholarly approach to Scriptures that is called eisegesis. It is not a sin to create sacred art. It is idolatry that is a sin. If someone worshipped the art it would then be a sin. But, of course no one in the Church worships anyone or anything but God. Religious art is designed to remind us of God and our devotion to Him. Statues of the saints remind us of our heavenly hope and that it is attainable through God’s grace. I bow before my bed each morning and pray to God am I worshipping my bed? How do I sin by praying to God beside my bed?
(The Apostle) Do you have to complete the sacraments in order to go to heaven? Im asking, not implying that I know.
(Cristoiglesia) Jesus said that we must eat His Body and drink His Blood for eternal life. He compares it to Manna that sustained the Israelites in the desert as the food for eternal life. Protestants do not desire this food and reject His great feast and the grace that it provides to endure in our faith to final salvation. One might ask why anyone who is faithful would reject Christ’s greatest gift to humanity. All of the Sacraments provide salvific grace but for anyone to presume salvation would be a great sin as our sovereign Lord may save whom He wishes.
(The Apostles) And Im far from hate filled. I just hate to see people on the day of judgment claim Lord, Lord and He says depart from me, I never knew you. It is very sad that you are deceived. I know you dont think you are deceived. But what do you think about John Paul saying that evolution is fact? This was the leader of your church!
(Cristoiglesia) Huh! It is you who has rejected His Church for the doctrines and teaching of men in man made sects. It is the Protestants that most resemble this prophesy of our Lord as they are the ones who have rejected sound doctrine and have gathered around themselves false teachers that satisfy their itching ears. Catholic Christians remain in His Church and are obedient to the teaching of the Church. John Paul II is entitled to his opinion. However I do not know what definition of Evolution he may have been speaking of. I have a undergraduate degree in Biology and I have seen the definition change drastically since I studied it over 30 years ago. If he was speaking of genetic mutations following the allele frequency then he was correct. Our leaders can have their own opinions, that does not mean that they are always correct.
(The Apostle) Would I continue this conversation just on hate? What a waste of time. No, your eternal salvation is at stake. And your betting your life on a document and traditions that are not biblical.
(Cristoiglesia) Really? I am moved by your concern for my salvation. However, I am not the one who is in protest of what Jesus and the disciples founded, that is you. I am not the one being disobedient and have followed false teachers and heretical man-made doctrines. I was once where you are now but no more. I became Catholic by trying to prove the Church wrong. Are you brave enough to take the same journey as I. You really should because it is your salvation that is in more danger by being outside the Church that Jesus prayed that we all be one within. I am confident on my salvific path by being in God’s will in His Church. Where else can I go? As St. Peter said to Christ at Capernaum when those like yourself left Jesus never to follow Him again; turning to the 12 and in particular St. Peter He said, “Do you want to leave also”. St. Peter responded, “where else can we go as you have the words of eternal life”. There is nothing taught by the Church that is not supported in Scriptures. There never will be.
God bless!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
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