07 October, 2009

Response by Steve to previous discussion

(Steve) Is there even any proof, that Peter had any contact with the church, Peter was given authority but when was this authority even given to the church. I have tried to research whether Peter was ever part of a clergy or even had contact with the catholic church but I have found nothing on either side.

(Cristoiglesia) Yes there is a great deal of proof. St. Peter is mentioned throughout the New Testament. The Church is defined as those who gather around the bishop. (St. Ignatius of Antioch about 107) St. Ignatius was a disciple of St. John and St. Peter and the third bishop of Antioch which is a Church founded by St. Peter. Read the seven epistles of St. Ignatius.

Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The following verse gives St. Peter all authority of binding and loosing. Which continues in the Church through apostolic succession.

Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

(Steve) The trinity is a corruption, Jesus is a man of great importance but not God. Jesus:
-prayed to God
-depended on his parents and food
-said he didn't have knowledge that God does
I will greatly debate the trinity as I see it as polytheism.

(Cristoiglesia) Please research the two natures of Christ. He was fully man and fully God. Had He not been then He was not the Lamb of God prophesied. Such a supposition as yours would make Jesus a liar and an imposter. He was not. The Trinity is not polytheism in any way. The Church settled this issue at the Council of Nicaea as the heretics under Arius were found in anthema.

(Steve) When I talk about a corrupted Bible, I refer to the Tanahh or Old Testament, the church translated the a translation and ignored the Hebrew original. I have been learning Hebrew to see how an ancient Hebrew would see it and it is quite different.

(Cristoiglesia) There is no Hebrew original. The Church cannot ignore what it does not have. I do know Hebrew.

(Steve) On Paul and Torah observance, Jesus says in Matthew 5:17, that the Torah is not being abolished but fufilled which doesn't mean that he fufilled it on the cross rather, he abolished stoning, discouraged divorce and, endorsed peace.

(Cristoiglesia) What is not binding in the New Covenant are the Mosaic laws.

(Steve) He says anyone who teaching contrary to the Torah is the least in the kingdom, this definitly applies to Paul who has no authority not to mention his sexism, man and woman have a place, equal to eachother, this is what is right.

(Cristoiglesia) The first Council of Jerusalem confirms the teaching authority of St. Paul.

(Steve) The pope definitly does live in splendour, with a big hat to show authority, a ring people kiss, bullet-proof limo and etc.

(Cristoiglesia) No splendor at all, he lives very modestly. You can go online to the Vatican website and see his tiny apartment for yourself. Do you really think that the Pope should not be protected from assassins? The pope does have the authority from Christ Himself.

(Steve) Also, catholics pray to saints and idols which is wrong pray to the one God above. The commandments say no idols.

(Cristoiglesia) Yes we do ask the saints to pray for us. The Bible instructs us to pray for each other. It is not forbidden anywhere in Scriptures. There are no idols in the Church as Catholics are forbidden to practice idolatry. We do not worship anyone or anything but God. So we follow all of the commandments in the Decalogue.


God bless!

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

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