10 June, 2013

Discussion with Eli Soriano about his erroneous depiction of the Catholic Mass

[Eli Soriano is the founder of the Church of God International and a critic of the Catholic Church. This Church is primarily in the Philippines but is growing as a result of its constant attacks on Christ's own Church. Many are deceived into this false man-made sect that is vehemently anti-Catholic. They do not have a Trinitarian belief in God but instead believe that Jesus is subordinate God to God the Father and was never a man]

(Eli Soriano) “The Mass is one of the many invented doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church! It is regarded as the Sacrifice of the Eucharist and is the central act of worship of the Catholic Church. Let us see how they define “mass” and “eucharist” first.


MASS. The Sacrifice of the Eucharist as the central act of worship of the Catholic Church. The “Mass” is a late form of missio (sending), from which the faithful are sent to put into practice what they have learned and use the graces they have received in the Eucharistic liturgy.

As defined by the Church at the Council of Trent, in the Mass, “The same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross, is present and offered in an unbloody manner.” Consequently, the Mass is a truly propitiatory sacrifice, which means that by this oblation “the Lord is appeased, He grants grace and the gift of repentance, and He pardons wrongdoings and sins, even grave ones. For it is one and the same victim.………………

EUCHARIST. The true Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, who is really and substantially present under the appearances of bread and wine, in order to offer himself in the sacrifice of the Mass and to be received as spiritual food in Holy Communion.(MCD)

According to the above definitions of the MCD, the Mass is the offering (again and again) of the true body and blood of Jesus Christ! Imagine that! This is contrary to the teachings of the Bible!”

(Cristoiglesia) It is truly unfortunate that you cannot understand the teaching of Scripture because of your obvious prejudice against the Catholic Church which is truly Christ’s own Church according to the Bible.

The ongoing celebration of the Mass is very different from the Passover celebration in that it is not a recalling of a one time event but a continuing sacrifice with Jesus as the priest and the victim. We are not celebrating this to recall what we have read or been told but are really and actually at the foot of the Cross with the blessed mother and St. John. In the Bible it says that we are to do this in “remembrance” as it is often translated into English but that same word in Koine Greek is actually “anamnesis” which has no English equivalent. “Remembrance” is a rather crude and awkward approximation in English of the true meaning of “anamnesis” which denotes a miracle. It is instead the actual miracle of the past of the future being present. In this case the past is being made present in the Eucharist.  Recalling something to memory is hardly a divine miracle. So, there is clearly a difference between the ongoing practice of recalling the bondage of Egypt and the command of our Lord to “do this in “anamnesis” of me which we do in the one miracle of the Eucharist. Jesus provides the great feast of His actual Body and Blood in exactly the form, time and place at the foot of the cross as He said. It is completely recognizing the fact that we discern His Body and Blood in the Spirit of faith as He said and not by our human carnal reason as heretics struggle to do.

In John 6:51 Jesus says that He is the bread from heaven. He is not talking of a huge loaf of bread which all believers must partake but makes it clear that it is His actual flesh that brings life eternal and not a recalling or remembrance of His flesh. Obviously this is a miracle not unlike the miracle of His feeding the multitudes before. The disciples would have believed because they had just witnessed a similar miracle. Also His relating this feast to manna (John 6:49-50) illustrates its temporary sustenance and contrasts it to the enduring nature bestowed by eating His flesh.

“51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Surely if this was a remembrance or recalling only it would necessitate a killing of another lamb which would not be the self same sacrifice but another symbolic of the first whose blood spread on the entrance to their homes with the hyssop branch saved their first born sons. It was this Old Covenant celebration that necessitated the ongoing sacrifice of the temple which was the only place that the lambs could be slaughtered because only the priests could kill the Passover lamb in remembrance of the real and original sacrifice. It is significant that St. John records, since He was the only one of the Gospel writers present that, Jesus was killed at the exact same time of the representative Paschal lambs at the Temple. This indicated a new ongoing sacrifice once for all times of the New Covenant.

The Eucharist is not a recalling of Calvary. It is not a remembrance of Calvary. Instead, it is the one, same sacrifice with the real Christ as the victim and priest that transcends time and place as the heavenly feast of His real flesh which is the food to endure to final salvation for all mankind. At every Mass we eat the same flesh of our Lord that He served at the last supper and we who abide in Him will continue for all times.


53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
" The protestant revelation was that we ingest the WORD of God by faith! Just as Jesus said to his disciples -John 15:3 "You are ALREADY clean because of the word I have spoken to you" -later, John 17:17 he prayed the Father "Sanctify them by the Truth, your word is Truth."

In instituting the practice of the Mass, Jesus fulfilled the prophesy of Malachi:

Malachi 1:11

King James Version (KJV)

11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

(Eli Soriano) When the Lord Jesus Christ offered Himself in the cross, with the intent of redeeming the sins of mankind, He offered a sacrifice whose effect is both retrogressive and progressive. He did it once for all – and once forever! So why should that sacrifice be represented in material things like bread and wine that is taken over and over?

HEBREWS 10:10, 12 (KJV)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;


10 Because Jesus Christ did what God wanted him to do, we are all purified from sin by the offering that he made of his own body once and for all.

12 Christ, however, offered one sacrifice for sins, an offering that is effective forever, and then he sat down at the right side of God.


10  in qua voluntate sanctificati sumus per oblationem corporis Christi Iesu in semel

12 hic autem unam pro peccatis offerens hostiam in sempiternum sedit in dextera Dei


10 In the which will, we are sanctified by the oblation of the body of Jesus Christ once.

12 But this man, offering one sacrifice for sins, for ever sitteth on the right hand of God,


10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

I cited various translations of the Scriptures above, (even those officially accepted by the Catholic Church) to prove that when Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice for sins, He offered it once for all and once forever!

The sacrifice of the Eucharist in the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church is clearly against the Bible because such sacrifice is unnecessary and thus constitutes an insult. It grossly disregards what the real Jesus had done in Calvary.

Even the Father will not agree to the idea that His Son is being sacrificed over and over again!
(Cristoiglesia) Through the miracle of our Lord of anamnesis we, meaning the whole Church Militant, Suffering and Triumphant, participate in the one sacrifice for the salvation of all men. Your straw man of multiple sacrifices is a false depiction of the Mass. It is one sacrifice that is sufficient in all time and in all places in which we participate.

(Eli Soriano)
HEBREWS 9:24-26

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Note the connotations of the following:

…..“Nor yet that he should offer himself often”

……“For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world”

…….“but now once in the end of the world”

All these imply that it is not God’s will that His Son be continually sacrificed – much more in a daily manner like the daily sacrifice of the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church!

No loving Father would want to see a beloved Son being killed and sacrificed daily!”

(Cristoiglesia) Again you labor to build your straw man to attack which is a false depiction of the Mass. Christ died once for all and that is what we participate in at Mass. It is not a re-sacrifice but the self-same sacrifice as was prophesied by Malachi..

(Eli Soriano) And why is it necessary for anybody requesting a priest for a Mass to pay a particular fee? The sacrifice made by Jesus did not involve money! The sacrifice being officiated by Catholic priests are paid for with a fixed amount of money!

(Cristoiglesia) It is not necessary to pay a fee for the dedication of a Mass but is instead voluntary.

God bless!

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

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