Response to someone calling himself Donald

[My response is in bold. You say that this is your final discussion with me because I do not agree with your false version of the Christian faith. I will always be here for you if you decide to explore biblical Christianity and Christ's own Church. We end this discussion and I am very sad that you remain lost in the man-made sect that has deceived you. I put your deceived soul in god's hands and pray that you develop ears to hear His Word.]

“Are you saying there was no Jewish race of people chosen by God before 1949?”

Of course not, I am saying that you erred in thinking there was a nation of Israel before 1949 as you claimed.

“Who was Abraham? Was he a nobody? Has the Catholic Church gone so far away from God that they are now changing History to fit their believes?”

He was the founder of the Old Covenant with God.

“You are getting more and more foolish in your teachings.”

How so?

“Its a shame the very Words of God are being spoken by such and evil person as you.”

That is a rather strange statement since you do not know me personally nor my heart. Did you just feel an urge to bear false witness against me?

“Romans 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

The Gospel you slander is from God.”

Another strange unsupportable claim which has no basis.

“The more you speak the more you show how far the corrupted Catholic Church has fallen. I am very glad I'm no longer in the corrupted Catholic Church anymore. Like Luther and the others God personally lead me out of the corrupted Catholic Church.”

Again another strange statement since you have not been able in all of our discussions to give even one example of this claim despite the fact that I have almost begged you to support your claims yet you refuse and just unreasonably slander Christ’s Church and now me personally for no apparent reason. I find your claim very strange in view of Scripture….Jesus prayed that we remain in unity in His Church, the Catholic Church, and promised that His Church would endure for all times. The Holy Spirit inspired the apostle St. Matthew to record the promise of Jesus that the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church yet your claim is a contradiction of Jesus and the Holy Spirit's inspiration.(Mat 16:18)

“I'm going to Heaven! My name is written in the Book of Life and there is nothing the corrupted Catholic Church can do to keep me out of Heaven.”

I pray that you are not so deceived as to believe in your presumption. Being presumptive as you are is a great sin as only Jesus can judge. You are probably the least qualified to judge yourself. The Bible clearly states that he who endures in faith to the end will be saved and not necessarily those who presume to be saved. May our Lord have mercy on you for this presumption and usurpation of Christ’s authority. That being said it is the Church that Jesus provided to those that are His and it is truly the narrow path to salvation. You have chosen the wide way because of your pridefulness and disobedience. May the Holy Spirit set you on the narrow path provided by our Lord.

“If i see you in Heaven so much the better for you, but i have the feeling you will not be invited in.”

If that is God’s will then I have missed the mark after serving the Lord my whole life. I will continue to pray that I will be saved and will continue to serve the Lord. I would give up my eternity for you to be saved if it was God’s will.

“Enough is enough. Jesus told us to shake off the dirt of the houses where people refused to accept Him as their Lord and Savior.”

Certainly you are not describing me and have no reason to make such an accusation. I have served Him my whole life and His flock and have certainly accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Do you really delusionally believe that you have the power to judge the hearts of men. You would do well to worry about your salvation instead as it is you that refused Jesus’ will to be in unity with His Church for your man-made counterfeit that you are so ashamed to mention.

“By the way i have posted what you have said and many True Christians cannot believe why anyone would want to be in the Catholic Church anymore after hearing the lies the Catholic Church teaches.”

Well considering that you have not been able to identify and support such vacuous statements as the Catholic Church teaching lies your claims are as empty as your heart is for Christ’s own Church. I guess you believe that the Bible is false teaching when it says that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. May our Lord have mercy on you for allowing yourself to be captured in the evil doctrines of men. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

An attack on the blessed mother and Christ's Incarnation through the blessed mother

My response is in bold

“Where in the Bible does the Holy Spirit say " No one is more righteous than the blessed mother"?”

She was the person chosen by God at her conception to be the mother of God incarnate, the Savior of the world Jesus. Jesus is God of which Arian’s like yourself deny. Indeed as the one chosen from all who are in His will and called  blessed for her contribution to all of mankind past, present and future. Indeed she is as righteous as any person that ever lived who was not God.

“No where in the Bible does the Holy Spirit say Mary is more righteous than anyone?”

There are many things that the Bible does not say explicitly but for one who has an indwelling of the Holy Spirit the fullness of truth is indeed implicitly taught

“Mary is more righteous than anyone?”

The teaching is revealed through His Church, the Catholic Church. True Christians all call her blessed and it is through her saying yes to the angel that she revealed her righteousness. There can be no greater implicit evidence of her righteousness than being blessed among all women in this way.

“In fact why are you saying Mary is more righteous than Jesus Christ?”

I have never said this either implicitly or explicitly. Again you lie about my statements. Tell me. where in the Bible does it say that the blessed mother is not righteous explicitly? Why would God choose an unrighteous woman to be the mother of God. Yes she is the mother of God because Jesus is “Immanuel” which means God is with us.

“I believe in praying for one another, but, we are NOT to ask dead people to pray for us. Its only the people living and around us that we are to ask to pray for us.

When the Bible refers to dead people it is referring to those who are dead in Christ such as the devil and his demons and those who have died without salvific grace. Those who have died “in Christ” are very much alive and in Heaven enjoying Christ’s salvific grace. If they are not alive in Christ then there is no hope for anyone. Saints are those with salvific grace alive in Christ whether Militant on earth or Triumphant in heaven.

“In fact we are Forbidden to seek out the dead!”

The Saint’s are eternally alive lest you do not believe in Christ’s salvific grace.

“Deuteronomy 18:11-12

11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.

12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you.”

Indeed and those that are spoken of are the devil, his demons and those without God’s salvific grace.   

Jesus Christ said His Church is the "pillar and foundation of the truth". Where in the Bible did the Holy Spirit ever say the Catholic Church is the "pillar and foundation of the truth".?

1 Timothy 3:15 (NRSVCE)

15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

There is no other Church mentioned in the Bible that is founded by Jesus and His apostles than the Catholic Church.

“Its the True Church FOUNDED on Jesus Christ Himself that is the True Church! Not your corrupted Catholic Church.”

Again there is no other Church mentioned other than the Catholic Church that is founded by Jesus and the Apostles. The Church has the promise of Jesus that it can never be corrupted and will remain for all times  the “pillar and foundation of the truth” This is the true teaching of Scripture. The Church will endure for all times free from apostasy. Not only is the Catholic Church  founded on Christ but by Christ personally.

“I do not hate Mary.”

Your statements of doubting her devotion to God and thus her righteousness belie your words which are obviously without substance or veracity.

“She was a good woman used by God to bring into the World a body to be used by God the Son to walk on the Earth.”

So, you think that she was a good woman but not good enough to be righteous even though she bore God incarnate. She was the most blessed among all women in history.

“Since Mary is ONLY the mother of the body used by Jesus Christ your usage of calling Mary the Mother of God is wrong and decieving!”

Is Jesus fully God? The Christian view is that He is God. Is Jesus fully man? The Christian view is that Jesus is fully man. The blessed mother bore Jesus in all His glory and fullness as God. She also bore Him and gave Him His humanity. Indeed her contribution was to provide the very means that gave the incarnate Jesus not only His humanity but also His Godliness. Indeed according to the blessed mother saying yes to the Angel of God Jesus is truly Immanuel and the Savior of the world. You are simply laboring to deceive yourself.

Mary is NOT the mother of God because God is Eternal and not created! God does NOT have a mother like you corrupted Catholics teach!

The Bible teaches that Jesus is God and the 2nd person in the Trinity of the one God. I know that Arians like yourself deny the true nature of God in the Trinity but for Christians this is the true nature of God revealed by Jesus, His Church the Catholic Church and the Bible. He is not created but instead it is taught in Scriptures that He is incarnated as both God and man through the blessed and righteous virgin Mary. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph

Continued discussion:

“Israel existed as a NATION and a COUNTRY thousands of years ago.”

No, the Nation of Israel was created in 1949.

“The only source for the Truth from God IS the Holy Spirit and the Bible. You and your Cult the Catholic Church has no Truth. Only God has the Truth and i listen to the Holy Spirit and what He says.”

I do not know where you get the idea that the only truth comes from the Holy Spirit and the Bible. It is ironic that you claim this as the Bible disagrees with your claim. The order of authority in the Bible is clearly stated as Jesus. His Church and then the Bible which is written by Catholic Christians and canonized by the Church. The Bible is not for private interpretation but is to be interpreted within the teaching of the Church that produced it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that the Bible says leads the Church from ALL error and not each individual who twists the Bible to fit their prejudice as you are a perfect example. So according to your statements you do not believe in biblical teaching unless it supports your unreasonable hatred for Christ’s own Church. If you actually listened to the Holy Spirit you would follow Jesus and His Church since His stated will the night before His crucifixion is that we have unity in His Church and not one of the tens of thousands of man-made counterfeits which you follow and are faithful. You show yourself to be an example as one who cannot endure the sound doctrines of Christ’s own Church the Catholic Church.

“The Truth is not in the Catholic Church and I have proved it. The Holy Spirit teaches Mary was a sinner, Romans 3:23 for ALL have sinned.”

The only thing you have proven is your lack of biblical scholarship and your prejudice against the teaching of Jesus and the Bible. Obviously this verse is showing the general state of mankind but certainly there are exceptions as the bible tells us which are Jesus, the blessed mother of God and arguably St. John the Baptist. One example of sinlessness is enough to prove your prejudice false and revel your lack of biblical scholarship and ignorance of Scriptures.

“The Holy Spirit teaches Mary was not Righteous, Romans 3:10-13, none is Righteous, no not one.”

Again this is a general statement of mans general state but again there is at least one exception and more.

“The Catholic Church has no Truth because it teaches lies about Mary.”

Why should I or anyone else believe you since you have been impotent to support even one example of your claim. I know of none of these lies that you claim. An accusation does NOT  equal guilt and it is impossible for one that believes and trusts in Jesus to believe such accusations. He promised that His Church will never fall into apostasy. You claim it has calling Jesus a liar or an incompetent in founding His Church. The Bible is not a false teacher when it calls the Church the “pillar and foundation of the truth”. For one that believes in the heresy of “Sola Scriptura” it is odd that you would proclaim by your statements that the Bible teaches falsely.

“You still do not understand. What God says has more Truth and authority than what the Catholic Church teaches. I read what the Catholic Church says and i compare it to what the Holy Spirit teaches in the Bible.”

If you truly believed what you are stating we would not be having this conversation. The reason we are having this discussion is because you do not accept what Jesus and the Holy Spirit teach in the Bible. Jesus teaches that the order of authority is Himself, His Church and then the Bible understood with the teaching authority given by Jesus to His Church. Again the Bible is not for private private interpretation. That is the primary cause for the tens of thousands of Protestant sects that cannot agree on even the simplest and most apparent teaching of Scripture. They cannot even agree that Jesus is God and the 2nd person in the Trinity of the one God. From your comments to me so far in our discussions you appear to be one of these even though you refuse to give me your affiliation.  Why do you hide this? Are you ashamed of the fact that you are a part of a heretical man-made sect?

If you indeed did as you claim you would find that the teaching of Jesus, the Church and the Bible are in perfect accordance with one another without even a hint of contradiction. That is further evidenced by the fact that you continuously make the claim without being able to support even one of your accusations.

“You cannot win fighting against the Holy Spirit. You may hate what the Holy Spirit says, but you will lose in the end.”

Indeed and neither can you even though you so far are refusing to listen to the Holy Spirit that led you to me for help in overcoming your ignorance and hatred.

“Its not about the Catholic Church and what they say, its ALL about what God says in the Bible. The Bible is from the Holy Spirit and is greater in authority and Truth than the Catholic Church!”

The writers of the New Testament of the Bible were all, without exception, Catholic Christians. The Christian canon of the Bible was decided by the Church under Christ’s teaching authority given to the Church in the late 4th and early 5th centuries after the three African Synods led by St. Augustine when they ratified the decision of the previous Churhc council in Rome. Before this there was no Christian Canon of Scripture and the truth was spread by oral means by the Church of which you have so much hatred. The oral authority of the Church preceded the formation of the Bible for centuries. Jesus gave all teaching authority to his Church and not a book that is the product of the Church. Actually according to Scripture it has no authority outside the charism of Jesus to His Church.

“My only source of Truth is from the Bible! I do not need to listen to anything else other then the Bible from the Holy Spirit! I put God above all, you Catholics put the Catholic Church above all, even above God!”

You are making an empty claim against the Church unless you can support what you claim. Again and accusation does not equal fact. For facts you must have some proof and you have none because there is not any proof of what you claim. I will state the position of the Church and the Bible which is the authority according to Jesus and the Bible is the teaching of Jesus, His Church and lastly the Bible understood in the community of Christ’s Church.

“This is why i say you have not received Salvation because you always interpret the Scriptures with Mary being the main focus. ITS NOT ALL ABOUT MARY!”Its ALL about God and what He has done for us.

It seems Mary IS the main focus in your life. Therefore one has to conclude that Mary is your god.”

You are correct of the fact that I have not yet received salvation as salvation is a lifelong process for those in Christ that is not completed until our death when we are judged by Christ. If the blessed mother had not said yes to the angel of God then she would have been disobedient. Instead she said yes and as a result was an integral part of our salvation The blessed mother of God was and is the first Christian and it is by her example of obedience that we should strive to follow. She should not be vilified like you practice for her obedience to God. Certainly she is not an example that you have followed as you refuse the unity that Christ prayed for before His crucifixion. God is the focus of my faith of which the blessed mother of God is the greatest example of all times to emulate in her devotion and obedience to God.

No, in our discussions this has never occurred even once much less than always. You are the one that is very strangely preoccupied with an unreasonable hatred for Jesus’ mother. You want to marginalize her far below what the Bible teaches out of some kind of perverse prejudice that you cannot explain. In our conversations it is you that has made the blessed mother of God your focus. You are accusing me of your actions and that is ridiculous. I understand perfectly for your statements that you have a hatred for Jesus’ mother for some very odd reason. It seems to be a hatred that can only be demonically inspired. I have one God and that is the Trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The following statement reveal the truth in what I have said…...

“God the Father is my God. God the Son is my God. God the Holy Spirit is my God. I have no need of your god Mary in my life.

What can Mary do for me that God cannot do? God is Eternal, forever, the most powerful being ever! Mary was a mere human, a sinner, has absolutely no powers of any kind, died and was buried in a grave. So why would i need Mary when i have God!

You can keep Mary as your god and i will follow the one and only True God!

You are so self delusional that its a joke.”

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit had a need for the blessed mother of God and blessed her beyond any woman. She said yes to God to bear God incarnate Jesus for the world so that we may be saved. That alone is a reason for all true Christians to honor her and use her as their example. Me delusional? Not a chance. God bless!

In Christ

Fr. Joseph