(Matthew) I was actually waiting for you to pull that verse out since that is what Catholics use to justify that they are the first Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it state Jesus started Catholicism. That verse you are talking about is talking about that His disciples were the first and they would go and preach the good news to everyone. Catholicism is not mentioned in the Bible once. Not ever. The next verse in Timothy is Paul telling Timothy that people would go to teachers telling them what they want to hear away from the truth so He should stick to these teachings, which is the Bible. If you want I could pull about a million verses talking about how Jesus is the only way into heaven. Once saved always saved is also true. If it wasn't you could be working forever and never know if you are in heaven. I don't care if you are some "priest" but you really have missed the entire point of the Bible and your pride has gotten in the way of the truth so there is no getting the truth to you. You can use your big fancy words and your man made teachings to fool others, but I have the truth and it seems Satan still has deceived you which is exactly what the Bible says happens.
Please give me any verse that says Jesus started the Catholic church. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The first Christians are in the Book of Acts and people got saved their by faith in Jesus alone. Good luck.
(Cristoiglesia) I am not sure what verse you are speaking of as I provided so many. First of all the Church is not of the Bible but the Bible is of the Church. The Bible is testimony about the Church and sola Scriptura is a Protestant heresy. I think you must be suffering from a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees. The entire New Testament is about the teaching of the Catholic Church as there was no other. Catholic Christians, the original and only Christians, were first called Catholic at Antioch which was originally the bishopric of St. Peter who founded the Church of Antioch. The Church however existed since Pentecost as there was no other Christian Church and the Catholic Church is the self same Church mentioned and described in the book of Acts.
“Once saved always saved” is a classical man-made doctrine which cannot be reconciled with Scripture and comes from the mind of the heretic John Calvin who was a Humanist lawyer who wanted to establish a theocracy in Geneva. He was not a theologian or even learned in theological concepts but he did have an agenda to gain power and to create a religion that blended Secular Humanism with Christianity. His goal was to create a Humanist god that served man instead of the Christian God that man serves. St. Paul said the following:
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but much more now in my absence) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
John 3:16 says that we must continue to believe to be saved and many other verses speak of enduring in our faith. These verses cannot just be ignored to support some man-made doctrine from one who is a power hungry heretic.
You accuse me of being prideful but is it not you who is proclaiming that your man-made beliefs, practices and church are superior to what Christ founded that He said would never fall into apostasy and would endure for all times. He further prayed in His last prayer in the garden of Gethsemane before His crucifixion that we all be one as He and the Father are one. Yet out of your pridefulness you ignore His will. It is not I who is deceived but the Protestants like yourself who Jesus prophesied about here:
2Ti 4:3 For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears:
Read the book of Acts, this describes the formation of the Catholic Church and apostolic succession. Then read St. James writings which clearly forbids faith alone but instead instructs that faith without works is dead faith. Is dead faith what you advocate? God bless!