05 November, 2009

Discussion with 'June M" about her criticisms of Christ's Church

(June M) It appears that you do not know your history professor. You only know what and how you where taught. This is not uncommon in the Baptist Universities. I know my History, one example is a man named Edward Gibbon Esq. 1782 Decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Another is; J. H. Merle D’Aubigne, others are John Calvin, Martin Luther and the list goes on. Your degrees mean nothing to me; these are things of men, not God. What degrees did the disciples have? They taught the people, in plain language about Jesus and His Father.

(Cristoiglesia) So, you respect those who do not seek knowledge more than those who do. False teachers are often those who lack education and knowledge and teach from their imagination believing pride fully that what they imagine is truth has some veracity simply because it originated in their own mind. The disciples sat at the foot of Jesus and received knowledge by His teaching. They in turn taught their disciples and apostolic succession continued throughout the history of the Church. They had a great education by the greatest of all teachers. One should not ignorantly disrespect those who seek the knowledge of God.

(June M) The word ‘patristic’ is a word that came about in 1847 and it is not even found in the Webster’s dictionary from 1828 – 1913. The word means the study of the writings and history of the church fathers. These “church fathers” are from the RCC alone. Your Church has nothing to do with God or Jesus. If you studied the Bible, you would know that.

(Cristoiglesia) My goodness, why are you denying the early leadership of the Church? If you are Christian these are the disciples of Jesus and the disciples of the apostles. They were the ones chosen and the closest to our Lord. Of course they are Catholic as there was no other Christian Church but the one founded by Jesus and the disciples and continued through apostolic succession. Jesus did not found a Church without a permanent leadership and the fathers passed on their bishoprics to their disciples and successors. You say we have nothing to do with God or Jesus yet it was Jesus who founded the Church. Do you realize that your church is one founded by men in protest of the Church founded by Christ? They believed that they could create a Church superior to Jesus and the disciples and they and you are wrong.

(June M) Maybe you should get off Yahoo Answers awhile and study Daniel & Revelation. I am an ANTI-Catholic and everything for which that abomination stands I am against. That denomination has blinded the world and is still doing so. It is no different than from the Reformers days. It is leading people to follow Satan in the guise of Christ. The leadership and dogmas of that denomination have nothing to do with God and His Word.

(Cristoiglesia) I have studied all of Scripture including Daniel and St. John’s Apocalypse and like all other Scriptures find these books to support the teaching of Christ’s Church. There are no Catholic Christians that follow Satan but instead Christ without being in protest of His teaching as your church and you are in teaching the doctrines of men and of devils. The Catholic Church and its teachings are the fullness of truth in Christ. Jesus said that His Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth and not some pretending counterfeit church founded by men in modern times. The true Church is the one founded by Jesus in whom the Church Fathers taught the fullness of truth and not the heresies of the Protestant heretics.

(June M) They follow that pagan act of idol worship, worshipping the dead. This is nothing more than worshipping Satan who wants to be worshipped as God and even above God.

(Cristoiglesia) There is no idol worship among Catholics as the Church forbids the worship of anyone or anything but God. The last place one would find idol worship is among Catholic Christians. Catholics worshipping Satan is profound nonsense.

(June M) Just in case you have forgotten I will add a reminder of who and what the RCC is.
The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

(Cristoiglesia) Jesuits make no such oath and this is the creation of anti Catholic bigots. Jesuits are dedicated to our Lord and Savior in all they do. You should be ashamed of spreading such lies. Bearing false witness is a serious sin of which you proudly participate and of which you will be judged by our Lord and Savior. You have been the victim of the worst of false teachers and I pray that you are saved from your spirit of contention. Your lies come from Satan and not from our Lord who teaches love for one another and charity. God bless!

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

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